Response to zac mac (YouTube Discussion)

There a few reasons why I believe you have the spirit of a Pharisee and belief in hell is just one of them. Hell is hypocrisy against every doctrine of God. You accuse me of being extremely contrarian but Christ was also extremely contrarian as He did not fall in line with the religious status quo of His time. I agree that there are a lot of things that Christians disagree on and many of those unessential doctrines are of little consequence however, hell is a major doctrine with some very serious consequences. Belief in hell comes from the same spirit of a Pharisee which is the spirit of self-righteousness. It is pure evil and is blasphemy against God and you have the audacity to tell me you believe in Christ? You believe in CHRISTIANITY not Christ and the fact that you believe in hell is proof of that. Me describing you as a Pharisee is no different than you describing me as delusional. The Pharisees didn’t know that they were anti-God and neither do you. Christianity has its own set of rules and creeds that must be adhered to in order to gain God’s salvation so yes Christians could be consider legalistic so my accusation was certainly applicable to you.

You said, “The Bible is very clear about hell/ lake of fire at judgement” but you clearly don’t have a clue what you are talking about. There are dozens of bibles and most of them don’t even agree with each other on how the word hell should be included. Ironically enough, Young’s Literal Translation doesn’t translate a single word as hell choosing rather to leave sheol, hades, and gehenna untranslated into English. The problem with trying to debunk hell is that so many sick minded Christians like you actually approve of it. You like the idea of your enemies (people that don’t submit to the will of your god –Christianity) being tortured in hell for all eternity. You think you are special having discovered the grace of God while having no issue stealing it from the billions of people you cosign to hell. You are an expert repeater of Christian dogma nothing more nothing less. The lake of fire isn’t literal any more than there is a literal sword coming out of the mouth of Christ. The book of Revelation is symbolic but I don’t expect a carnal minded Christian like you to understand any of the spiritual truths of God.

There is NO such thing as eternal punishment. Nearly every pagan culture had some concept or belief in an afterlife and Christianity borrowed these pagan doctrines because of how effective it was in controlling the masses of people. The Greek word “aionios” is an adjective that comes from its root noun “aion” which literally means an age so “aionios” can only refer to ages not an eternity. The Latin language preceded English and the English word eternity came from the Latin word eternus but the bible translators of that time changed the Greek word “aionios” which clearly was a word that described a time period with a beginning and an end to the Latin eternus which meant forever. The KJV and the entire line of bibles that follow after the KJV brought over this corruption and Christians are still deceived by it even to this day. The honest bible translations that uncovered this translation error translate “aionios” as age-abiding, age-lasting, or age-during. There is also no such thing as eternal life believers are promised aionios age-abiding life in the first resurrection that the rest of the world doesn’t get to experience. They remain alive afterwards because they were made immortal in the resurrection so they don’t need eternal life.

What makes you think that Christ is talking to UNBELIEVERS when He says, “depart from me, I never knew you?” Do unbelievers prophesy in the Lord’s name? Do unbelievers cast out demons in the Lord’s name? Do unbelievers do many wonderful works in the Lord’s name? Christ is clearly talking about RELIGIOUS PEOPLE and the religious people of His time who He likened as hypocrites were the Pharisees and the Jewish leaders of the Sanhedrin. Do you not realize that the harshest of Christ’s language was always directed at the religious hypocrites and not people who you classify as “unbelievers”? Unbelievers in what? Christian tradition? You seriously have no idea how delusional you are and here I am wasting my time trying to help a stiff-necked Christian like you.

I think it’s interesting that you think unbelievers aren’t given “eternal life” but you think they can somehow suffer CONSCIOUS torment for all eternity. Do you know what a contradiction is? How can a person suffer conscious eternal punishment without eternal life?

Do you really think that “outer darkness” is a literal place as opposed to a condition? You seriously are not capable of thinking past your carnal logic to see anything spiritual as if a place of fire could ever be described as “outer DARKNESS” as fire gives off light. I see that you edited your comment to rebuke me when I mentioned, “the sons of the kingdom” to that fool leonard but maybe you need to get your prescription changed on your glasses because Matthew 8:12 does mention the “sons of the kingdom being cast into outer darkness”. Some translations use the word “children” instead of “sons” but they both mean the same thing. I’ll quote these scriptures in a few translations to prove that you are the one with zero reading skills and the one suffering from everlasting delusion. I won’t even mention comprehension because you clearly can’t even read.

Matthew 8:11-12 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. But THE CHILDREN OF THE KINGDOM SHALL BE CAST OUT INTO OUTER DARKNESS: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (King James Version)

Matthew 8:11-12 And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven; but THE SONS OF THE KINGDOM WILL BE THROWN OUT INTO THE OUTER DARKNESS; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (New American Standard Bible)

Matthew 8:11-12 I say to you, many people will come from the east and from the west. They will sit down with Abraham and with Isaac and with Jacob in the holy nation of heaven. But THOSE WHO SHOULD HAVE BELONGED TO THE HOLY NATION OF HEAVEN WILL BE THROWN OUT INTO OUTER DARKNESS, WHERE THERE WILL BE CRYING AND GRINDING OF TEETH.” (New Life Version)

It literally says in the New American Standard Bible exactly what you claim it doesn’t even going so far as to call the scripture a lie but the scriptures of God do not lie. YOU LIE and you are a repeater of lies. You deny these scriptures because you don’t know what it means. Who are the many that will come from the east and west to sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven? Who are the CHILDREN (SONS) OF THE KINGDOM? The phrase “there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth” is a universally agreed upon description of those destined for hell according to Christian tradition but I’ve never heard anyone consider someone that’s hell-bound a child of the kingdom yet we read in the above quoted scriptures that it will be them (the children/sons of the kingdom) that will be cast into outer darkness and it will also be them that will be weeping and gnashing their teeth. The children of the kingdom is a reference to the Jews and it is the Jewish nation that will be cast into outer darkness (out of the light of God’s truth) and they will weep (cry) and gnash their teeth (an expression of anger and disgust) when they see the Gentile nations, (the many coming from the east and west) sitting with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. The New Living Translation translates this passage indicating exactly what I just said.

Matthew 8:11-12 And I tell you this, that many GENTILES will come from all over the world—from east and west—and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob at the feast in the Kingdom of Heaven. But MANY ISRAELITES—THOSE FOR WHOM THE KINGDOM WAS PREPARED—WILL BE THROWN INTO OUTER DARKNESS, WHERE THERE WILL BE WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH.” (New Living Translation)

Now what do you have to say? I’m sure you will try to lie and weasel your way out of this because that’s what you Christians do. You run from the truth and hide under lies. I have never stated that there is no judgment but I am fully aware that the lake of fire is a symbol for God’s judgment. You do not understand anything about the judgment of God. There is not a single scripture in the entire bible in which the lake of fire is referred to as hell. The lake of fire is a symbol for God’s refining judgment as it is described in Malachi 3:2;

Malachi 3:2 “But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears? For He is like a REFINER’S FIRE And like launderers’ soap.

What day is he referring but the day of judgment? Do you know what refine means? When God refines the sinner God is using symbolic fire to burn out the evil sinful carnality in man’s flesh. That is the second death – the death of the carnal man that lives inside of all of us that lives to serve the will of the flesh. Paul talks about this refining fire in more detail in 1 Corinthians 3. I literally laughed out loud when I read your comment about my supposed “anti-biblical” theory that hell does not exist because you assume that just because the word hell appears in certain bible translations that it has to be the matter of fact Word of God but you are highly mistaken. Hell is not a doctrine of God is a doctrine of men added to the bible as a tool of control. The doctrine of hell is a system of control for Christians not non-Christians and the evidence of this is how quick Christians are to result to fear mongering and threatening people with their eternal hell. It is actually pretty unbelievable how foolish Christians can be sometimes.

You said the lake of fire is commonly referred to as hell but Revelation 20:14 says that death and hell were cast into the lake of fire so how could the lake of fire be hell which you claim is the same thing? I speak as fool because of course there’s no Christian hell here at all because the Greek word in this verse is Hades (NOT hell) which means the grave. It is properly defined as the UNSEEN which is the place of the dead. Superstition and religious fantasy has influenced a lot of stupid people to believe that the place of the dead is really a place of people only pretending to be dead but are really alive. Where were you before you were born? You was nowhere because you didn’t exist and that is what Hades is… it is the unseen place of nonexistence and we all return to that state when we die. So God is going to abolish death and Hades in the lake of fire and this is how death is swallowed up in victory as Paul declares in 1 Corinthians 15:54-55;

So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.” “O Death, where is your sting? O Grave, where is your victory?”

Should Hades be translated as hell? The KJV translators sure thought so and they translated Hades as hell in 10 different scriptures except for one time in 1 Corinthians 15:55 and do you know why? Because they didn’t want Christians thinking that there’s victory over their lie of a pagan hell.

You quoted John 3:36 as if you know what it means. The most dangerous person in the world is fool with a bible in his hand. It is just appalling how you have no shame in butchering the Word of God. How can an unbeliever suffer the wrath of God if they don’t have life? The reason you don’t know what you’re talking about is because you think believers have eternal life as if somehow believers will escape death in this life. Those who believe do not have eternal life they have life but even believers will still die in this age. Believers must overcome and endure this age before earning the reward of aionios age-abiding life in the next age at the resurrection. The wicked and unbelieving populations will not see life in that age because the wrath of God remains on them during that time. Do you know what the wrath of God is? The wrath of God is DEATH (not eternal torture) and the wicked and unbelieving populations will still be dead until the second resurrection to judgment but God’s judgment is not just punitive it is also corrective.

Isaiah 26:9 With my soul I have desired You in the night, Yes, by my spirit within me I will seek You early; For when Your judgments are in the earth, The inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.

When God’s JUDGMENTS are in the earth, the inhabitants (peoples) of the world will learn righteousness. Your depraved mentality regarding God’s judgment is just sickening and it is sad that you have bought into the lies of Christianity. I’m simply trying to free your mind but I cannot do that because that is something God has to do. I’m sure it angers you that God’s judgment leads to the learning of righteousness instead of eternal torture but maybe one day you’ll stop worshipping the evil false god of Christianity and all of her heresies.

I agree with you that scripture tells the truth but your interpretation of scripture is not scripture. Scripture must agree and it must be coherent. The mistake would be continuing to believe the Christian lies you’ve come to embrace even in the obvious revelation of the truth.

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