Satan: God’s Perfect Instrument of Evil

Who is Satan? What is the devil? In the world of the Christian church, Satan or the devil is God’s greatest adversary. God is in the corner of good and Satan is in the corner of bad. At the present time, God and Satan are duking it out in the spiritual realm. Who is going to win this ultimate battle between God and Satan? Christians will tell you that God is going to win and Satan will be defeated. The problem with this understanding is that when we think like this, we kind of put Satan on the same level as God. Also, superstition and myths have confused many people about whom or what the devil really is. I can tell you with 100% conviction that he isn’t red with pointy ears, a long tail, and a pitchfork. He is also not the ruler of the pagan hell of Christianity. Satan is and has always been a created creature by God. Many people think that Satan was Lucifer an archangel in heaven that supposedly sinned and was kicked out of heaven. This is just another Christian fable created from the deceived minds of men. This is the truth according to scripture;

Genesis 3:1 Now THE SERPENT was more subtil than any beast of the field WHICH THE LORD GOD HAD MADENow contrary to popular belief, Satan is actually on God’s side but people don’t understand this truth. Satan was purposefully created to be the “Adversary” which is what the name Satan means in Hebrew. This scripture tells us that God made the serpent. The devil is characterized as the serpent. The devil isn’t a literal earthly serpent and I hope nobody is that naïve to think that this is what God meant. Serpents are sneaky slithery deceptive little creatures. This is the reason why the devil is called a serpent; because of the characteristics and attributes of a real serpent. Satan is a spiritual serpent. For those that think that Satan turned himself in to being evil need to think about this scripture;

Genesis 1:31 And GOD SAW EVERY THING THAT HE HAD MADE, and, behold, IT WAS VERY GOOD. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Did it say that God saw some of the things he made or all but one of the things he made? No, it doesn’t say that at all. We know that God made the serpent and Genesis 1:31 tells us that EVERYTHING that God made was VERY GOOD…. Please let that sink in for a minute.

Do you think that Satan was a bad creation on God’s part? If that’s true, wouldn’t that make God a failure? If a person created something and it went wrong, would we not blame the person for the mistake? This is so simple when we actually think about the things that people say and teach. Man creates something and it is man that is held responsible for its success of failure. God creates something and He isn’t held responsible for its success or failure. This kind of thinking is ridiculous. So why did God create Satan (the serpent) to begin with? Let’s look here;

Genesis 2:17 But of the TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Notice that this tree contains the knowledge of GOOD and EVIL, not just evil. People think that Adam and Eve were created as perfect sinless beings and they chose to sin thus bringing about sin and death. This teaching takes away the responsibility of God to save mankind and puts the responsibility on man to save himself.

Romans 8:20 For THE CREATURE WAS MADE SUBJECT TO VANITY, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, Vanity in this scripture means “devoid of truth” and we can easily see how that relates to sin. Mankind was made subject to “SIN”. Humans were never created perfect and that teaching totally contradicts this scripture. When we understand the truth in these scriptures, we will also understand that God is responsible for saving mankind and He will save all of mankind. This is all for a grand purpose perfectly being orchestrated by the Creator of All. You will never learn this from church because the church believes in man’s own will and power to thwart the very plans of God. It is blasphemous to think that we (mere mortals) can outthink and overrule the course of God’s plan for His creation.

We all know that man eats from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil which brought about sin and death to all mankind. Do you think it’s interesting that God said this afterwards?

Genesis 3:22 And the Lord God said, Behold, THE MAN IS BECOME AS ONE OF US, TO KNOW GOOD AND EVIL: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Do you really think that this was a surprise to God? Now remember we are talking about the all-powerful, all knowing, ever present God Almighty. How can anything surprise God? How can we even think for a second that God isn’t in control? Did we forget Genesis 1:26, And God said, LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE, after our likeness: Do you think that God was just kidding when he said this? Having the knowledge of good and evil was paramount in the process of man having the likeness of God. So how does Satan factor into this grand plan of God Almighty? Satan was purposefully created to be God’s instrument of evil. Some will say that God is perfectly holy and incapable of sinning. Well that is absolutely true, but that doesn’t mean that God doesn’t facilitate evil.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and CREATE DARKNESS: I make peace, and CREATE EVIL: I THE LORD DO ALL THESE THINGS. You see, I am not making this stuff up. I’m sorry that you were never taught these things but this is the truth; if you doubt it, look the scriptures up for yourselves. Notice that God says he creates evil and not that he does evil. In order for him to create evil, he needs an instrument to take care of the business of evil. There is no such thing as good without evil. We only understand up in its relationship to down. You cannot understand or see light unless there is darkness.

Now looking back in Genesis 3, we read that the serpent is described as being more subtil; which means intelligent and cunning than any beast of the field. What is the field? This isn’t talking about the literal ground where animals walk. You have to remember that the bible is a spiritual book and we must follow along spiritually. We will not get the true understanding of scripture if we think with our carnal minds. Jesus tells us what the field represents;

Matthew 13:38 THE FIELD IS THE WORLD; Satan’s domain is the world; Job 1:7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, FROM GOING TO AND FRO IN THE EARTH, AND FROM WALKING UP AND DOWN IN IT. So what is Satan’s purpose in searching the earth (world)? Who inhabits the world? Mankind inhabits the world.

Genesis 2:7 And THE LORD GOD FORMED MAN OF THE DUST OF THE GROUND, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. So we know that man was created from the dust of the ground. We (mankind) are dust. We also know that the serpent deceived Eve which ultimately resulted in sin and death. Now that sin and death has entered the world, God curses mankind and the serpent. How did God curse the serpent?

Genesis 3:14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and DUST SHALT THOU EAT ALL THE DAYS OF THY LIFE: Remember that we just read that mankind is dust. So Satan or the serpent was specifically and purposefully created by God to devour mankind. Are you scratching your head yet? Let’s see if this helps;

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because YOUR ADVERSARY THE DEVIL, as a roaring lion, WALKETH ABOUT, SEEKING WHOM HE MAY DEVOUR: Satan is not a lion but he devours like a lion. Have you ever watched a lion attack its prey? It is ferocious and the prey has little chance of survival when in the clutches of the lion. That is why Peter admonishes us to stay sober and to be vigilant. The word sober is translated from the Greek word “nēphō” and it is translated in others scriptures at “watch”. Peter isn’t referring to literally abstaining from alcoholic beverages. We are to be calm and collected in the spirit. The word vigilant is translated from the Greek word “grēgoreō” and it also means to be watchful or keep awake. This isn’t talking about the physical. We all physically need sleep but we must always stay spiritually awake because the adversary the devil is going to and fro and up and down in the earth seeking to devour you. It is the carnality of a man that Satan seeks to devour you with.

Romans 8:7 Because the CARNAL MIND IS ENMITY AGAINST GOD: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. Every time you submit to the lusts of the flesh (carnally mindedness) Satan has devoured you. The carnal nature of a man cannot serve God because the carnal man is under the law of sin. Satan is doing everything he was created to do and so do we. We (mankind) sin because we were made subject to sin. If we understand that God is in control, it will be easier for us to understand the scriptures. Satan was created by God for the express purpose of creating evil.

The Christian church teaches that Satan was a beautiful glorious archangel named Lucifer who one day decided (with his free will) that he wanted to be exalted higher than God and was kicked out of heaven. They cite these verses to justify this claim;

Isaiah 14:12-14 How art thou FALLEN FROM HEAVEN, O LUCIFER, SON OF THE MORNING! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN, I WILL EXALT MY THRONE ABOVE THE STARS OF GOD: I WILL SIT ALSO UPON THE MOUNT OF THE CONGREGATION, in the sides of the north: I WILL ASCEND ABOVE THE HEIGHTS OF THE CLOUDS; I WILL BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH. First let me say that the whole teaching of Satan once being an angel in heaven named Lucifer is nothing more than another Christian fable. Satan was never an angel because we already read in Genesis that he was created as a serpent. 1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for THE DEVIL SINNETH FROM THE BEGINNING. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. You cannot start off as a beautiful angel of light in the beginning and also sin from the beginning. Satan was created as a serpent in the beginning for the express purpose of deceiving, lying, tempting, etc. All these things are evil and represent sin.

So where did this false doctrine of Satan being the angel Lucifer start? The Lucifer fable was created to justify the ridiculous an unscriptural belief in free will. The belief in free will basically makes the claim that a person is capable of making “uncaused choices” such as in the case of sin. It is believed that for no reason whatsoever, Adam and Eve used their free will to disobey God which led to the cataclysmic fall of mankind. This is not scriptural truth in any way. Satan was not created as an angel named Lucifer and this is nothing but a Christian fairy-tale. The word Lucifer is in the King James Bible because of the deceived uninspired translations of men.

If you look up the word lucifer in a Hebrew concordance, you will see that it was translated from the Hebrew word – “heylel”. We cannot cross reference this with any other scripture, guess why? Because Isaiah 14:12 is the only verse in the entire King James bible that has this word in it. This is the first clue that we might have a problem. In order to find the source of this gross translation error, we must search past the King James Version.

Lucifer is of Latin origin and do you think that it is ironic that there was a Latin translation of the holy scriptures before the King James translation? That Latin translation is called the Latin Vulgate.

Here are some interesting facts:

In the Latin Vulgate, the word lucifer is found in 3 scriptures.


Latin Vulgate King James

Word Translation

Job 11:17

et quasi meridianus fulgor consurget tibi ad vesperam et cum te consumptum putaveris orieris ut lucifer. And thine age shall be clearer than the noonday: thou shalt shine forth, thou shalt be as the morning.


2 Peter 1:19

et habemus firmiorem propheticum sermonem cui bene facitis adtendentes quasi lucernae lucenti in caliginoso loco donec dies inlucescat et lucifer oriatur in cordibus vestris. We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

day star

Isaiah 14:12

quomodo cecidisti de caelo lucifer qui mane oriebaris corruisti in terram qui vulnerabas gentes. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!


Do you notice the problems here? Remember that I told you that the word Lucifer appears only one time in the King James Bible.  The word lucifer appears 3 times in the Latin Vulgate. So why did the King James translators drop the word lucifer completely from the other 2 scriptures and decide to keep it in Isaiah 14:12? They dropped the other two words because they both came from two totally different Hebrew words.

Lucifer isn’t translated from “heylel” in Job 11:17 as it is translated in Isaiah 14:12. It is translated from a completely different Hebrew word which is “boqer” and it means morning. Even the word morning as it is translated in Isaiah 14:12 in the King James comes from a different Hebrew word which is “shachar”. In Isaiah 14:12, why is lucifer used as an adjective in the Latin Vulgate, then magically changes into a noun in the King James? I’m asking these questions to show you the holes in the theology of Luficer the archangel.

What the King James translators have done in this case is a translation travesty. They obviously believed in the Lucifer fable and they seemingly were successful in pulling off one of the greatest translation debacles of all time seeing that many people still believe this lie even today. Lucifer is a latin adjective and it means light-bringing as in reference to the light of the moon. It absolutely has nothing to do with a fallen angel and it is not a noun so there is no need for this word to be capitalized. The Hebrew word “heylel” which is what the King James translators used to render the noun Lucifer comes from another Hebrew word “halal” and it means in the sense of brightness. This word is used in scripture primarily as the word “praise”. If you look at a Hebrew Interlinear of the Hebrew texts of Isaiah 14:12, you will see that another Hebrew word exists that hasn’t been translated into any English word. As it reads in the English, the Hebrew word comes after the phrase “son of the morning” and that Hebrew word is “yalal”. It is used 29 times in other scriptures as the word “howl”. Why is it that we don’t see the word “howl” translated in Isaiah 14:12? You don’t see it because the King James translators completely omitted it because they needed to figure out a way to slide the word lucifer in this verse.

Do you think that I am making this stuff up? Let’s look at Isaiah 14:12 in some other modern translations to see what they thought about O Lucifer;

How hast thou fallen from the heavens, O SHINING ONE, son of the dawn! Thou hast been cut down to earth, O weakener of nations. (Young’s Literal Translation)

How you have fallen from heaven, MORNING STAR, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!  (New International Version)

How you are fallen from heaven, O SHINING STAR, son of the morning! You have been thrown down to the earth, you who destroyed the nations of the world. (New Living Translation)

How you have fallen from heaven, O STAR OF THE MORNING, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations! (New American Standard Bible)

None of these translations include the word “howl”, which isn’t necessarily accurate but the fact that they have all eliminated the use of the word Lucifer all together is the most important translation correction.

Here is the best translation I’ve seen of Isaiah 14:12;

How have you fallen from the heavens! HOWL, son of the dawn! You have been hacked down to the earth, Defeater over all nations! (Concordant Version of the Old Testament)

You see the proof in the scriptures. It is time that this lie gets completely exposed for all to see. The teaching of Lucifer the archangel has no scriptural truth to it.

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for SATAN HIMSELF IS TRANSFORMED INTO AN ANGEL OF LIGHT. [Why is it that bible scholars and theologians have this scripture backwards? They say that Satan started off as an angel of light and then transformed himself into the devil. This whole doctrine of Lucifer the archangel proves this scripture to be true. Satan isn’t an angel of light and if he was, he wouldn’t have to do any transforming. Satan was, is, and has always been that old serpent;

Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, THAT OLD SERPENT, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Now let me show you how Isaiah 14:12 reads in the translation of the Greek Septuagint;

How have you veered from the sky, bringer of morn, that rose so early? He is crushed into the earth that set forth towards all the nations. How art thou fallen from this verse, O Lucifer (Sarcasm)? Where did you go? Is it possible that the inclusion of Lucifer as a noun (person figure – Satan) in the King James Version is a complete fabrication? That is exactly the reason. The theology of Lucifer the fallen archangel from heaven is a complete and total fabrication.

Isaiah 14:12 is referring to the king of Babylon and it never had anything to do with Lucifer who later turned himself in to Satan. Here is the contextual proof;

Isaiah 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against THE KING OF BABYLON, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased! [I think it is rather amusing that many Christian believers bring up “context” when attempting to debate the meaning of scripture. I cannot tell you how many scriptures the Christian church uses and continues to teach completely out of context and Isaiah 14:12 is probably one of the biggest examples of a context mishap. Context is by no means the rule which one is to interpret scripture, however, it is important to understand all words used in scripture as it pertains to a certain subject.]

God created Satan the devil, that old serpent from the beginning for the express purpose of carrying out the necessary evil to fulfill God’s ultimate purpose. Remember this;

Genesis 2:17 But of THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. [God had already created this tree of the knowledge of good and evil and this is God’s purpose for man. God is purposefully allowing his creation to have an experience of evil to humble mankind.

Ecclesiastes 3:10 I have seen the travail [experience of evil], which God hath given to the sons of men [all humanity] to be exercised [humbled] in it. [This is a process, God’s process. When God purposes anything, it shall and will come to pass. That is why God can declare the end from the beginning. All is God and all is of God and this is His will and purpose.]

Genesis 3:22 And the Lord God said, BEHOLD, THE MAN IS BECOME AS ONE OF US, TO KNOW GOOD AND EVIL: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: [Satan is God’s agent, in giving us the experience of evil in order to become like God.]

God the Almighty declares…

Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I HAVE CREATED THE WASTER TO DESTROYIsaiah 54:16

Satan is God’s WASTER…

77 thoughts on “Satan: God’s Perfect Instrument of Evil

  1. So, if God created evil (Satan) for his purposes; and his purposes will be fulfilled, what is his final outcome? Is he man/angel? Or, a man being used by Satan…and what of that man? Thank you for your time.


    1. God created everything for his purposes. There is nothing in creation that wasn’t intended for God’s purposes.

      Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

      In Revelation 20:10, we are told that the devil is cast into the lake of fire where he is tormented day and night for ever and ever. This verse is not properly translated and it is not understood because most people believe that the lake of fire is a literal “lake of fire” for the express purpose of torturing people. The word tormented is translated from the Greek word “basanizō” and it is more appropriately defined as a testing for purity. The devil will be tested and refined in the lake of fire for the ages of the ages (not for ever and ever). What does for ever AND ever mean? Is “for ever and ever” longer than just “for ever”? There cannot be more than one period of “ever”. Ever is not a proper translation for the Greek word “aiōn”. Aiōn means an age so the devil will be tested and refined in the lake of fire for a period of time until there remains no sin or evil in him.

      Also, what sense would it make for God to torture the devil for ever and ever when he created him in the first place?

      Job 26:13 By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent.

      The devil is a spiritual creature. He is not a man or an angel that turned himself into the devil. He was created as the crooked serpent from the beginning. The devil is necessary in the process for humans to obtain the knowledge of good and evil. Without a knowledge of evil, how can we understand what it means to be good? It is the knowledge of good and evil that is preparing all of us to be sons and daughters of the Most High.

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    1. Jesus NEVER said that… let’s take a look at this verse in the King James translation;

      Matthew 26:24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

      Based on the way this verse is translated in the King James, it does appear that Jesus Christ is saying that it would be better if Judas had never been born but the truth is hidden in the original Greek. Before you can understand this, you must first understand that men have corrupted the word of God and the King James Bible is probably the worst in that regard. The Christian hell is a very powerful doctrine and the “church” uses it to promote submission through fear. Christians primarily become Christians to escape an eternal hell of torture coupled with the fantasy of going to a magical heaven. The purpose of the church is to fill the church pews and if the church pews are filled then the offering plate is filled. Religion has always been about power and money. In order for the Christian hell to have some merit, bible translators had to change the scriptures by adding and taking away words. Let me show you how those bible translators changed the Greek of Matthew 26:24 in order to support the doctrine of the evil eternal Christian hell. Let’s take a look at Matthew 26:24 in a Greek-English Interlinear;

      The indeed son of the man goes as it has been written about him; Woe but to the man that, through whom the son of the man is delivered up; good it was to him, if not was born the man that. (The Emphatic Diaglott)

      On the surface, it may not be as easy to catch but you have to have a ready eye. Notice the word order in the last part of Matthew 26:24 in the King James Bible;

      – it had been good for (that man) if (he) had not been born [In the KJV, “that man” is translated before “he”. Now let’s look at the last part of Matthew 26:24 in the The Emphatic Diaglott which is a Greek-English Intelinear;

      – good it was to (him), if not was born the (man that) [In the Emphatic Diaglott, (him) is translated before the (that man) but what does this all mean? Well, this changes everything about what Jesus was saying. The (he/him) is JESUS CHRIST and the (that man) is Judas. Let’s take a look at Matthew 26:24 in the Concordant Literal New Testament;

      seeing that the Son of Mankind is indeed going away according as it is written concerning HIM [this HIM is JESUS CHRIST the Son of Mankind], yet woe to THAT MAN [Judas Iscariot] through whom the Son of Mankind is being given up! Ideal were it for Him [Same HIM – Jesus Christ] if THAT MAN [Judas Iscariot] were not born!”

      So, it would have been better or ideal for JESUS CHRIST if Judas Iscariot were never born because it was the actions of Judas that led to Jesus Christ being delivered up to the Jews to be flogged, beaten, spit on, whipped, mocked, and ultimately crucified…


  2. I have another question. Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Where was he cast out from? Heaven? Where were he and his angels? In Revelation 7 it talks about there being a war in heaven against the dragon which would be Satan. I dont know this just isnt making sense to me. I know I’m still pretty carnally minded when it comes to scripture. Could you please help me out with this?


    1. Yes, Satan was cast out from heaven but I need to explain a few things so that you can have a chance at understanding what I am saying.

      Heaven is not a physical place with literal pearly gates, streets of gold, and babies flying around playing harps. Those ideas of heaven were created by carnal minded men. They didn’t mean any harm, they just didn’t know any better. Heaven is a SPIRITUAL REALM and it is invisible to humans. We cannot SEE spiritual heaven because we are fleshy carnal humans. The only way that we can access this spiritual realm of heaven is in our mind because it is our mind that controls our thoughts that lead us to act as we do.

      Another thing, the word “angels” can be misleading because virtually all people believe that “angels” are only heavenly beings that exist with God but that is not always the case. The word angel comes from the Greek word “aggelos” and according to Dr. Strong’s Greek Concordance, aggelos is defined as a messenger, an envoy, or a PASTOR so “angels” can be HUMAN messengers as in the case of Luke 7:24;

      And when THE MESSENGERS (same Greek word “aggelos”) OF JOHN were departed, he began to speak unto the people concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness for to see? A reed shaken with the wind?

      Surely these messengers of John were not referring to the heavenly angels of God but rather men who were more or less, disciples of John. At times, it can be difficult to discern whether scripture is referring to angels as human messengers or messengers from God but scripture NEVER refers to heavenly angels as messengers of the devil. The devil doesn’t have angels, he has MESSENGERS and the messengers of the devil are human. Now, there are evil spiritual entities that assist the devil in his campaign to deceive but those entities are called DEMONS and not ANGELS. Both of those words come from two totally different words.

      So, Satan is cast out from heaven (the spiritual realm where we can experience God) and he was cast out with his deceiving human messengers. In Revelation 12:7, we are told that there was war in “heaven” but what does that really mean? Was there a literal WAR in heaven? The Christian church teaches that this was a “literal” war in heaven I guess like World War I with Michael and the angels throwing heavenly bombs at Lucifer and the fallen angels that “chose” to rebel with him. This is nothing but an example of the foolish carnality of the human mind. Revelation 12:7-8 has nothing to do with a literal war in God’s spiritual heaven. So what is this “war in heaven”?

      Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

      Notice that it says, we wrestle NOT against flesh and blood. So this tells us that this is not a literal physical war. Paul identifies what we wrestle against and they all include things that are invisible. The word “high” as in “high places” is translated from the Greek word “epouranios” and it is translated 16 others times as the word “HEAVENLY”. Ephesians 6:12 tells us that there is spiritual wickedness in the heavenly. Remember that “heaven” is not a physical place, it is a spiritual realm. Humans are NOT spiritual beings but rather earthly and physical beings so humans cannot actually see the powers of spiritual wickedness in the heavenly realm. Satan is the ruler of the darkness of this world and he controls the spiritual forces that influence us to do evil. He doesn’t force us to do anything evil but he preys on our carnal minds and the lusts of our hearts. One of Satan’s trademark abilities is his power to DECEIVE… To be deceived requires a person to be influenced in their MIND and people stand or fall based on what they believe in. How much blood has been shed throughout the history of mankind over simple differences in beliefs and ideas? It is through the mind that humans can access and experience the spiritual realm. Sure we live inside of a fleshly physical body but our mind with all of our thoughts, beliefs, and convictions represent who we really are. Heaven is a realm of spiritual understanding, spiritual thinking, and a spiritual way of existing in this physical realm. The bible uses the words heaven, earth, and sea to describe the different levels of spirituality.

      Revelation 5:13 AND EVERY CREATURE WHICH IS IN HEAVEN, AND ON THE EARTH, AND UNDER THE EARTH, AND SUCH AS ARE IN THE SEA, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

      Revelation 5:3 And NO MAN IN HEAVEN, NOR IN EARTH, NEITHER UNDER THE EARTH, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

      Men do not literally dwell in the spiritual realm of God’s heaven. This is referring to the different levels of spirituality. There are people who dwell in the spiritual realms of heaven, earth, and the sea.

      Heaven – this is the highest level of spiritual understanding

      Earth – this is the middle level of spiritual understanding

      Sea – this is the lowest level or the level of no spiritual understanding

      People who dwell in heaven are considered to be God’s elect (those who overcome the world) and those who have been called out of the corrupt church of man’s religion. This group represents the few chosen of God who believe and understand the truths of God’s word. Heaven dwellers represent the highest level of spiritual understanding and access to experiencing God.

      People who dwell in the earth are the people who attend church or “religious folk” as this group of people have some spiritual understanding. However, this group is still deceived and under the power of Satan.

      People who dwell in the sea are the people of the world who have little or no spiritual understanding in accordance to the word of God.

      Consider this verse;
      Revelation 12:12 THEREFORE REJOICE, YE HEAVENS, AND YE THAT DWELL IN THEM. WOE TO THE INHABITERS OF THE EARTH AND OF THE SEA! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

      This is not talking about literal men dwelling in a literal heaven like what Christianity teaches. How absurd is it to think that there are men who literally inhabit the sea. This is spiritual and figurative language. The true saints of Christ have left the earth (not the physical earth) and they dwell with Christ in the spiritual realm of heaven. This isn’t literal but rather spiritual. Notice that the scripture says, “Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and sea”. The reason this is stated is because Satan still has dominion over those who dwell in the earth and sea but not those who dwell in heaven. Remember Revelation 12:7-8;

      And there was WAR IN HEAVEN: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, AND PREVAILED NOT; NEITHER WAS THEIR PLACE FOUND ANY MORE IN HEAVEN.

      Satan didn’t prevail in heaven because heaven dwellers know the truths of God word and they cannot be deceived so there is no place for Satan in “heaven” because deceiving is what Satan does. There was no literal “war” in some magical kingdom called heaven in which Satan decided that he wanted to be God and subsequently starting a riot in such a place. That is nothing but the foolish carnal ideas of men. Hope this helps…


      1. If heaven represents the highest level of spiritual understanding and Satan”s messengers are human, are you saying that his human messengers occupied the highest level of spiritual understanding but were cast down from there??


      2. No, because Satan doesn’t dwell in heaven he dwells in the “earth”…

        Job 1:7 And the Lord said to Satan, “From where do you come?” So Satan answered the Lord and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it.”

        Satan cannot touch “heaven dwellers”…

        Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and “YOU” who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the “EARTH” and the “SEA”! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”

        God has a heaven and man has his own created heaven in his own mind… God’s heaven is the place of all truth while man’s created heaven is a place of delusion!


      3. Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and “YOU” who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the “EARTH” and the “SEA”! For the devil has come down to you,”
        Come down from where??
        Thanks for your patience!


      4. The devil doesn’t come down from any literal physical location for the devil himself is a spiritual creature. There is a spiritual place where control and influence is manipulated and that place exists in the “mind”…

        Ephesians 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

        The devil influences and deceives people who dwell in the “spiritual mind” of earth and sea… Remember that the devil has no influence over “heaven dwellers” so he has “come down” to the earth and sea of mind to deceive those who dwell there in their mind… that’s why Revelation 12:12 says, WOE to the inhabitants of the “EARTH” and the “SEA”!


      5. And to add to this, the description of the Angels that fought along with Michael does not fit spirit angel but rather Men. It says ‘and they overcame him (the dragon) by the BLOOD OF THE LAMB and by the WORD OF THEIR TESTIMONY, and they LOVE NOT THEIR LIVES UNTO DEATH. Spirit angels do not need the blood of the lamb because the scripture says he did not die for Angels, not do they need any word of testimony to fight etc. Therefore, the heaven that the dragon was cast out from couldn’t have been physical or literal heaven but the heaven in man. Then and only then can we have a new heaven (within us) and a new earth wherein dwelleth righteousness


  3. Hi there I had another question. In Revelation 12;9 it says the devil was cast out into the earth with all of his angels. Cast out from where? Where were they at this time? In Revelation 7 it talks about their being war in heaven against the dragon which would be Satan. Can you help me out with this? I am still pretty confused when it comes to the Lucifer thing.


  4. Hi I am reading your sight all day and I am pretty shocked( positively) with all the content. a lot of things makes sense now. I wish you had more analysis on this particular subject. I felt it was kind of short.
    So can you please finish your explanation on this verse :Isaiah 14:12-14 How art thou FALLEN FROM HEAVEN, O LUCIFER, SON OF THE MORNING! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN, I WILL EXALT MY THRONE ABOVE THE STARS OF GOD: I WILL SIT ALSO UPON THE MOUNT OF THE CONGREGATION, in the sides of the north: I WILL ASCEND ABOVE THE HEIGHTS OF THE CLOUDS; I WILL BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH……The serpent still want to be like God?? I am a little bit confused.

    What do you think about the theory that the book of revelation was added by the church(made in trans with so many details , the style of writing is weird and that it is made up for the christian community to let thing happen in our present days because it’s according to scripture and so on….thanks and God bless


    1. Isaiah 14:12 has absolutely NOTHING to do with Satan… The word “Lucifer” is a LATIN adjective that means morning or day star. It is not even a proper noun or the name of anything so there is no need for it to be capitalized. Isaiah 14:12 is referencing the King of Babylon which was King Nebuchadnezzar who was a man. Satan has NEVER wanted to be like God for he was created for the purpose of being God’s instrument of evil. Satan doesn’t have “free will” and neither do we as humans… Isaiah 14:12 is only speaking about the fall of King Nebuchadnezzar due to him becoming proud and puffed up in his own arrogance. He was never literally in the throne room of God but he had ascended to the heavens in his own mind. He thought that he was responsible for all of the power that was given to him by God. When he failed to give God the glory, God took his kingdom away – he symbolically fell from the heavens (high standing with God). As long as you continue to think that Isaiah 14:12 has anything to do with Satan then you will always be confused.

      I have never read anything that suggested that Revelation was added by the church. I can tell you that the book of Revelation is “symbolized” and that is why the writing is weird. Jesus Christ does not have a real literal sword coming out of his mouth and Death and Hades are not literally riding around on horses. It is all symbolic and figurative language that must be accurately explained for one to understand it.


    1. We have to be very careful when attributing “human emotions” to God. God is not a human but God does have emotions and so the scriptures often describe God in human terms so that we can comprehend it. Noah was said to have found grace is the EYES of the Lord but surely we know that God doesn’t have a set of human eyes in a human head. God is Spirit and spirit is invisible… God is everywhere and God sees everything all at the same time. If God has two literal eyes like humans He wouldn’t even be able to see behind Himself… From a human perspective, when we regret something, this implies that we made a decision that we now wish we hadn’t made and that is commonly referred to as a mistake. We cannot apply this same logic to God for God doesn’t make mistakes nor does He change His mind… (Malachi 3:6) So we have to use a little bit of wisdom to understand what it means when God says he regretted creating mankind. The best example that I can think of is the relationship between parents and their children. Child rearing is difficult and stressful and I know that I’m not the only parent that has at some point regretted having children but most parents only feel that way in times of duress when children act hardheaded and unappreciative. Genesis 6:5 says that God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. So it was for those reasons that God regretted creating mankind but if God is all knowing then surely God knew this about humanity before He created humanity but it didn’t stop Him from creating humanity now did it? I suppose that the world’s population would be a lot less than what it is if parents had that same God-ability to see how their children would turn out before they were born. So God’s regret is not the same as human regret but God is described in human terms for us to understand Him better but we have to keep those human terms in the proper perspective.


    1. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 is speaking about the events of the first resurrection which is the resurrection to life (age-lasting life) in the kingdom of God. At the second coming of Christ, the dead saints will be resurrected first in immortal glorified spiritual bodies and the living saints will be transformed afterwards. Then all of the saints of God will meet the Lord in the air. They will reign with Christ for 1,000 years. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 is commonly used to justify the teaching of the rapture but the rapture doctrine is just another Christian fable.


  5. I looked at some other Bible translations of job 26 13 and it’s says that God hand pierced the gliding serpent or travailed the fugitive serpent in the concordant translation
    Not that he created or formed the serpent


    1. It is quite evident that different translations render different words for the corresponding Hebrew/Greek words but one must be careful in assuming which bible translations are more accurate. In regards to your comment, there is no question that God “created/formed” the serpent because we have other scriptures that back up that reference.

      Genesis 3:1 Now the “serpent” was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made… (Is there any disputing Genesis 3:1?)

      The word “formed” in Job 26:13 comes from the Hebrew verb “chuwl” and this Hebrew word is found a total of 62 times in the Old Testament Hebrew. This one word is translated as 12 different words in the English. Some of the words have the same meanings but this is how bible translators played their little word games to suit their own religious bias. Sometimes, they just didn’t have a clue what a word meant or there wasn’t an exact translation of a word from one language to another language. I’m not saying that every bible translator had a willful intent to deceive but nonetheless, mistakes were made. The Concordant Version is a “good” bible translation but it is not flawless. There is no such thing as a mistake free bible translation as they all have errors. Some errors are obviously more grave than others. Usage is one of the best ways to determine a words true meaning. In reference back to the Hebrew word “chuwl”, this word is found in Psalm 90:2 and it is also translated as the word “formed”…

      Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever You had “formed” the earth and the world, even from everlasting (age) to everlasting (age), You are God.

      Do you think that it is more appropriate to say that God “pierced” or “travailed” the earth as opposed to “forming” the earth? Did God not create the heavens and the EARTH? If God didn’t create or form the crooked serpent, who did?


    1. I don’t know exactly but I supposed there will be a lot of learning… I don’t think it will be 1,000 years of dancing, clapping, and singing. Maybe grand celebration wasn’t a good choice of words but since the “church” is the body of Christ otherwise known as the “bride” of Christ, Christ will be coming back to claim His wife as He is the bridegroom. This a metaphor of course but the saints will be “one” with Christ in the spiritual just as husband and wife are one in the physical. It will be “like” a wedding but not a earthly wedding. There is just so much we do not know in this life and it will remain a mystery until it comes to pass…


      1. Why must Satan be released after the 1000 year reign? Rev 20: 1-3 “And I saw a messenger coming down out of the heaven, having the key of the abyss, and a great chain over his hand,
        2 and he laid hold on the dragon, the old serpent, who is Devil and Adversary, and did bind him a thousand years,
        3 and he cast him to the abyss, and did shut him up, and put a seal upon him, that he may not lead astray the nations any more, till the thousand years may be finished; and after these it behoveth him to be loosed a little time.”


    1. Proverbs 27:11 My son, be wise, and make my heart glad, that I may answer him who reproaches me.

      A father is responsible for parenting and teaching their son so the wise behavior/choices of the son are the best measure of the father’s character against criticism…


    1. I don’t think that the “air” is necessarily symbolic for Jesus himself ascended into the heavens some time after His resurrection so that would indicate that He has power over the law of gravity. Christ says in John 3:8 that those “born of the Spirit” will be like the wind. Wind is invisible and it moves freely through the “air” so meeting the Lord in the “air” may not be as big a deal for someone in a spiritual body that can move around like the wind.


      1. When you say “heaven” are you referring to the physical heavens of this physical world? There are multiple heavens physical and spiritual… the saints will not rule, reign, or judge from the physical heavens of this physical world.


    2. The heart desire of God has been to bring heaven down to earth and not taking people out of the earth. Jesus prayed for His disciples that he is not saying they should be taken out of the world but that they should be preserved in it. The knowledge of the glory of God must fill the earth as the waters cover the sea. This is His eternal purpose as Lord’s prayer says… Let His Kingdom come, His Will be done on EARTH as it is done in the Heaven


    1. Revelation 7:9-10 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

      These verses are speaking of the people from both the first and second resurrection. This is the culmination of God’s salvation for all of the inhabitants of the world.


      1. With respect, this reply is not correct. if you look at verse 13 it says “Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?” and the reply in
        verse 14 is “And I said to him, “Sir, you know.”
        So he said to me, ““These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.”

        So in order of time, the 3 1/2 year tribulation takes place and at the very end, Christ returns and gathers the 144,000 saints. Directly after that the 1 year Great tribulation begins, after Armageddon, then the 1000 year reign of Christ and the saints begins.

        It is at this point, at the beginning of the 1000 year reign that Revelation 7:9-17 occurs.

        The 1st resurrection is immediately after the 31/2 year tribulation, when Christ returns and gathers the saints.
        The 2nd resurrection occurs directly after the 1,000 year reign.

        For further information please visit


      2. Verses 4-8 in Revelation 7 speaks of the sealed servants of God or the 144,000 from the 12 tribes of the children of Israel. In verse 9, we read about another group of people, a “great multitude” that couldn’t be numbered. Here are two groups, the few and the many, and both groups represent all of the inhabitants of the world.

        Your arguments are based on too much Christian fantasy in regards to tribulation and end-time events…


    1. Revelation 20:7-9;

      7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

      Satan is in prison because during the 1,000 year reign of the saints with Christ, there is no one around for him to deceive. All of the wicked and unbelieving people are still dead and in the grave awaiting the second resurrection and that is when Satan – next verse…

      8 shall go out to “deceive” the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

      Satan will gather together all of the nations of humanity (Gog & Magog)… Gog is a Hebrew word meaning “mountain” and this word is often symbolized to represent a “king” but in this case it is not a literal physical one man king but the KING in every sinful man’s life which is the Beast of Carnality. Magog is also a Hebrew word meaning “land of Gog” and Magog was an actual literal region north of Israel but this is not physical but spiritual. Spiritual “Magog” is where the “Beast of Carnality” reigns and dwells which of course is in the hearts and minds of sinful men. Remember the beast in Revelation 13:1 that rises out of the sea? The sea is carnal humanity… They do battle against the saints of God (spiritual humanity) but remember Ephesians 6:12 – this is a “spiritual” battle not a physical one.

      9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

      This is all just a symbolic representation of God’s judgment on all sinful humanity that will ultimately be destroyed through God’s sin purging fiery judgment.


  6. this is my understanding,is it those who refuse the righteous judgement rev 20 vs 12 ,that will be sent to lake of fire and be purged of the sinful ,carnal nature which they willingly refused to give up?


    1. The lake of fire is judgment… nobody can refuse God’s judgment otherwise one could argue that people could refuse to be cast in the lake of fire. That’s nonsense… being sent to the lake of fire has to do with people’s “works” and being sent there is not necessarily a bad thing. Judgment is not fun but the result of judgment is good. A person cannot willfully give up there carnal desires without God first giving them the power to do so… Giving up the carnal man is not easy and it requires divine intervention.


  7. Are you saying humans have no free will whatsoever? Wouldn’t that make us robots? Deuteronomy 30:19, John 7:17, 2 Corinthians 9:7, Galatians 6:7-10 and James 4:7-8.

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    1. Yes that is exactly what I’m saying… Humans do NOT have “free” will. Humans do in fact have a will but it isn’t free. Our choices have a cost (consequence) so it isn’t wise to suggest that we can just freely do or choose whatever we want to. Now, you have stated that if we don’t have free will wouldn’t that make us robots? Well, I think that robots and humans have some things in common for robots are typically designed in ways to function like humans but robots do not have emotions. Robots do not have individualistic creative expression. Robots do not create relationships with other robots and robots do not reproduce. Humans are a unique creation but just like robots, we are limited to the design of our creator. None of the scriptures you quoted support the idea of “free will”. Just because humans can make choices doesn’t mean that we possess this man-made ability known as “free will”. Most people don’t even know what “free will” means, they just repeat it because that’s what they were taught. The concept of free will is impossible. There is no choice that can be made without causal information. When humans are born into this world, do they have free will to do whatever they want or are they subjected to do the wills of their parents? When does this silly little imaginary god-like sovereignty activate? You gravely underestimate the power of causal influence or what is better understood as causality. There is no effect that can come to be without some causal force behind the scenes. God is the number one causal force of everything and then there are literally hundreds of other secondary causal influences that make us who we are. As children, we learn from our parents and from our environment. We learn from teachers, our peers, the music we listen to, our relationships, the TV shows and movies we watch… this is all inspiration. There is also another powerful mechanism at work and it is genetics. Genetics plays a huge role in predisposition to certain behaviors be it mentally, emotionally, and physically. All of these factors of influence gets implanted into us throughout our lives and we eventually develop a core set of values/ideas that govern the way we think and operate in the world. Let me ask you this… does God have “free will”? If He does then is God free to tell a lie? Why or why not? We already know that God doesn’t lie but why doesn’t He lie? What source of influence is so powerful as to influence God to not lie? Free will means that someone can will to do whatever they want and that will is free from any and everything that could influence it otherwise. There is nothing that can sway it in one way or the other. It is made freely and if it is influenced in any way, it is no longer free. So what influenced God to not lie?

      P.S. God doesn’t have “free will”…


      1. Thanks for the reply. The reason I asked is because I saw another Christian Universalist website ( claim if we didn’t have any free will whatsoever we would be robots and that we do have free will but only to a certain degree within God’s sovereignty.


      2. No problem Bradley and thanks for commenting… They are not wrong in one aspect but they totally contradict themselves by claiming that there is I guess what they would call, limited free will? Something is either free or it isn’t free. If I have a 52 inch TV with a sign that says, this TV is partially free would that make any sense to you? It is total nonsense to claim that we have any kind of free will. My point has always been that if something influences you to make a decision then the decision wasn’t free. The cost of that decision is directly connected to the thing that influenced it and it just so happens that all of our decisions are influenced by something even if we are not actively of aware of the influence. Humans have a will but it isn’t free. Some decisions may feel like they are free but they aren’t… Some decisions have little to no consequences while others have grave consequences. It doesn’t really matter in the end, all decisions are influenced by some causal force therefore eliminating any choice from ever being considered to be free. I like the godsplanforall website and they have a lot of good information on their site but I do not agree with them on this subject for “free will”. It would be okay if they just drop the word “free” because I don’t think it’s even necessary to include. We all have wills, I have a will, you have a will, every single person in the world has a will but our wills are molded in thousands of ways from thousands of sources throughout our lives. Does this make sense to you? Again thanks for commenting, I appreciate your feedback…


      3. God sends lying spirits therefore would he not be responsible for the lies his spirits tell? 1 Kings 22:22″The LORD said to him, ‘How?’ And he said, ‘I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ Then He said, ‘You are to entice him and also prevail. Go and do so.’ 23″Now therefore, behold, the LORD has put a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; and the LORD has proclaimed disaster against you.”


  8. It seems the theory of Satan being a “fallen Angel” was around before the KJV obscured things. i was reading some Irenaous, a second century “church father” and he seemed to believe this. it appears many early “church fathers’ believed this. Any thoughts on how this might have come about?
    Blessing Brother!


    1. The church needed to figure out a way to insert the damnable teaching of “free will” into the bible so they made up this totally bogus story of Satan once being Lucifer who with his free will chose to defy God. With free will, the church figured out a way to get God off the hook for cosigning billions to eternal torture in some pagan hell.


  9. However, some of the early members of the “church” did not believe in Pagan Hell but rather, the restitution on all things. Examples – Origen and Clement. So, they would have no need to get God off the hook. Much more investigation needs to ne done regarding this subject and the orgin of this belief.


    1. Yes that is true but the matter of influence regarding the teaching of a pagan hell prevailed over the centuries. While those early church members may have believed in the restitution of all things, that belief became lost over time due to evil men corrupting the word of God by adding to and changing the word of God. The church’s of men have always been about power, money, and control… The church had no use for a God that would restore all things so the church destroyed that “God” and created their own version of “God”. A “God” that is not sovereign and a “God” that is subject to the wills of men. By adding this free will element to the equation, the church has made salvation the personal responsibility of every single human being instead of God being responsible for saving and restoring His creation according to His will.


  10. I would really be interested in hearing your thought on the following video. It’s a teaching on Jude 1:9 but from the perspective of a someone who does not believe that is a real, personal, being. To my suprise, I thought he made some good points on a otherwise strange scripture.
    I know this is asking a lot but if you are willing, I would love to hear your opinion on this.


  11. I’m still stuck on your opening statement about Satan, the Serpent, being created in the beginning by God as whatever the Serpent was, evil, murderer, liar… and they later you state that Satan is a spirit.
    Are we to assume then that before the trip wire was launched and they did eat, that Adam and Eve once could literally see in the spirit and talk in the spirit and then were blinded to the spirit by the eyes being opened to the flesh?
    Is that what’s happened? Otherwise I’m afraid I’m really confused.


    1. The bible has a lot of symbolism and figurative expressions unless you think talking snakes, the tree of life, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and flaming swords are literal things. I’m not quite sure I understand your confusion or sarcasm. If Satan isn’t a spiritual creature then what is he? He’s certainly not an immortal snake nor is he some fallen angel.


  12. On June 6, 2016 in this question and answer series you make the following statement:
    “The word tormented is translated from the Greek word “basanizō” and it is more appropriately defined as a testing for purity.”
    This translation of this word everywhere I have looked find the meaning as “tormented”. Can you shed some more light on this?


    1. The original definition for “basanizo” is to test (metals) by the touchstone, which is a black siliceous stone used to test the purity of gold or silver by the colour of the streak produced on it by rubbing it with either metal. You can reference Strong’s G928 on the BlueLetterBible website. That was the original definition but words can and do take on different meanings over time. What is important to note is how the word is used biblically. In Matthew 8:6, basnaizo is used to describe the suffering of physical sickness. In Mark 6:48, basanizo is used to describe the toiling from rowing in a boat during a storm. In Revelation 12:2, basanizo is used describe the pain from childbirth. All of these descriptions can be situations to which people are tested for various reasons. It could be a testing of faith, patience, or how a person responds to life’s sufferings. God uses such things to build godly character. A person can be “tormented” from a variety of experiences. Life in general can bring on its own set of torments such as losing a love one, going through a messy divorce, getting laid off from work, getting injured or sick, parenting, etc. More times than not, a person comes out of such “torments” a much stronger and wiser person. Tormented is not necessarily a bad translation but the issue is when bibles add the words eternal and everlasting to the torment. There is no redeeming value to cause someone to suffer for all eternity. I cannot even begin to explain how grotesquely evil that is especially when literal fire is the tormenting agent. Everything that God does has a purpose but God wouldn’t allow anyone to suffer forever because there is nothing to be gained from it. A person can learn from being tested/tormented for a season but to be tested/tormented for all eternity is just insanity beyond what is even irrational.


  13. Right from the get go you said that God created everything and that it was very good. And I agree with this. But you can’t say that God created Satan and it was all still good and then also say that God created man to be sinful. Just as Satan chooses to rebel and deceive, we also choose to do wrong. Sure God knew it was going to happen. But that doesn’t mean that he is responsible for our sinful nature or for Satan’s rebellion.

    Maybe I’m misunderstanding you, but it sure does seem like your saying that when God created Satan it was still all good but then saying that God created us to be sinful and somehow it was still good. That doesn’t make sense.

    Just wanted to say this and get it out of the way. I’m going to continue reading now.


    1. I can most certainly say that God creating Satan was a good thing because God uses Satan as an instrument of evil. Evil is necessary to be instructed in it. If there was no such thing as evil how would you ever know about it? Evil has to exist for you to have knowledge of evil. God is not evil but God has knowledge of evil and He also creates evil. Romans 8:20 says that the creature was made subject to vanity… so that is a scripture that first tells us that humanity was made under a condition of vanity (worthlessness) but why would God do that? God did that because He has a plan. God never intended for man to remain in the flesh. The physical life/world is temporary. Satan chooses to do exactly what God created Him to do… to deceive, to lie, and to destroy. Man chooses to sin because that is exactly what God intended for man to do. Man was made flesh and with the flesh comes all of the lust thereof but man didn’t make himself, God made man flesh. God knew from the beginning that man couldn’t resist the pulls and desires of the flesh. The human heart is to weak to deny the cravings of the flesh. Are you telling me that a man chooses to like women? That’s absurd we are coded to like woman and that is why we cannot choose to not like woman. What purpose does Satan have to deceive? If God is really God, then there is nothing that can operate independent of what God allows. When Satan desired to tempt Job, he asked for permission and God granted his request with some boundaries of which he followed. Satan doesn’t do things for the sake of just doing it. In all of creation, creation does exactly what it was intended to do. Humans cannot fly. That was a limitation placed on humans but if you think that you can choose to fly which is something outside of what God has allowed, your next conscious experience might be having a conversation with your Creator. God is responsible for His creation just as you are responsible for what you create. Do you have children? If so are you not responsible for them? Being responsible doesn’t absolve accountability. I am responsible for my children but I do hold them accountable for what they do because I want them to learn. There is NO such thing as Satan’s rebellion. Satan NEVER rebelled at any time during any age Satan has always been Satan, a liar and a murdered from the beginning. There are a number of examples for which evil can be used for good. People that use drugs and overcome their addition can use their strength and testimony to help others along their journey to recovery. How can you tell anyone about anything if you’ve never gone through anything? A diamond is a diamond because of the pressure it goes through. You cannot bypass the pressure and still get a diamond. When Adam and Eve disobeyed God, they automatically was given a death sentence but this was the beginning to God’s process. What did God say to them afterwards? Behold, now the man has become like us (the Elohim Family) to have knowledge of good and evil. Does it seem to you that God thinks that having knowledge of good and evil is a bad thing? I mean for crying out loud it is a characteristic of God. God held man accountable for his disobedience but that was already a part of the plan because God never intended for man to live forever in the flesh. Guess who was an intricate part of the beginning of God’s plan? The serpent… Satan! We see examples everyday in real life how people turn bad situations into good ones. What would be the point of forgiveness if nobody ever wronged anyone? If you committed an egregious offense against me such as killing my son in a car accident you would be overcome with guilt however, if I forgave you, that would have an extraordinary impact on you. Forgiveness is powerful and difficult for the carnal man that lives in all of us but forgiveness only exists in a world where people can get hurt or wronged.


  14. I must say though I agree with you 100% here in regards to the remaining article. I noticed in my nkjv that later in this passage that “Lucifer” is described as a man who brought all nations low. And when looking into this further I discovered the same thing, that this was a Babylonian king. So I knew from this that this wasn’t some angelic being.

    I have brought this up to a sister in Christ and she seems to think that when it starts talking about a man it’s moving on to some other context. But I thought that was a very weak argument.


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