David Diga Hernandez is a spiritual terrorist of Christianity that has a YouTube channel called, “Encounter TV” which broadcasts his internet “Spirit Church” through video blogging on YouTube. Several year ago, David posted a video titled, “A Demonic and Dangerous Heresy that is Spreading like a Virus” however, that video is no longer posted on his channel. In 2018, David posted two newer videos titled, “Debunking the Heresy of Universalism” and I will be critiquing both of his videos to shed a better view on the teaching of universalism and why David himself is a heretic of the true gospel and a spiritual terrorist of Christianity. I am not going to post his videos on this site because they are too long but here are the links if you would like to watch his videos that I will reference for all of my points of argument.
Video 1: https://youtu.be/eaS5ChxeBLs
Video 2: https://youtu.be/mZ94uZfZ_1c
Before I begin my critique of David’s videos, let me first say that I hold no ill-will towards the man personally. As far as I’m concerned, David is just another deceived member of Christianity’s clergy but since he feels the need to attack God’s gospel, I feel compelled to dismantle his lies and outlandish interpretations of scripture so that people can have a better understanding of God’s truth. Due to the fact that David spends a lot of time interjecting his personal ideas of universalism into his video, I will not waste a lot of time addressing such statements. My focus for this post is to address the so called doctrinal positions that he raises and the misinterpretation of scripture that he projects.
In David’s introduction into describing what he calls, “the heresy of universalism”, he states that the position of the universalist is that “ultimately, everyone will end up in “heaven”, whether they receive Christ here on the earth or not or whether they receive Christ is this life time or not.
The first problem with his argument is that there is NOWHERE in the bible that states that the believer goes to heaven after they die. In fact, we have a scripture that TOTALLY contradicts the teaching of going to heaven…
John 3:13 No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man.
How many is “NO ONE”? Is there an expiration on this scripture? How is it that Christ can plainly state that nobody goes to heaven but somehow Christianity has convinced it’s members that they will, in spite of what Christ says, go to heaven when they die? The bible is clear about the state of the dead and life occurs again only in the resurrection and not in some literal fairy-tale kingdom called “heaven”. I am not going to go into a lot of detail about what “heaven” is because I’ve already written on that subject, but “heaven” is a spiritual realm, it is not a literal physical kingdom with streets of gold, pearly gates, and God sitting on a literal throne. That is absurd. Salvation occurs in God’s timing not in man’s timing…
David proclaims that he “wishes” that universalism were true but David is a liar and he spends over 70 minutes in his 2 part video series supposedly debunking universalism to prove it. David’s interpretation of scripture is consistent with what Christianity teaches and as a loyal teacher of Christendumb, he submits to all of her dogma. The actual accurate definition of universalism is as follows: universalism is a theological doctrine that all human beings will eventually be saved. There is much more to that short statement but there is actually quite a bit of scriptural support for this belief but what you will learn is that Christianity despises the word of God.
1 Timothy 2:3-4 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Is it really good and acceptable for God to save all of sinning humanity and have them come into the knowledge of truth? Not according to David and the clergy of Christianity. This is how Christianity’s leaders prove that they despise the word of God. The first problem that they have with this verse is that it clearly states that God “WILL” have all men (Greek: “anthrōpos” from which we get the word anthropology which is the study of humans so the word “men” here is referring to all of humanity) to be saved but they don’t want God to save all of humanity so they have to change the word of God so that it aligns with their perverted doctrines. So, they pervert the word of God by playing “biblical gymnastics” by stating that the word “will” which is derived from the Greek word “thelō” only means to desire, to wish, or to take pleasure in. According to Dr. Strong’s Greek concordance, those words are not necessarily bad words to define “thelō” but the problem occurs when we place such human limitations on God. It is certain that humans can desire or wish for a thing and not actually have the power or the resources to make whatever desire or wish they have come to pass but please tell me what would stop God from getting what He desires? We say that God is all-knowing and all-powerful so arguably there should be nothing in the created world that is smarter or more powerful than God. Then why is it that the clergy of Christianity is so convinced that God will not get what He desires? Remember what I said earlier? The pastors, teachers, and clergymen of Christendumb HATE the word of God. The scriptures tell us that every word shall be established in the mouth of two or three witnesses so do we have another witness that tells us that God will accomplish ALL that He desires? I’m glad you asked…
Isaiah 46:9-10 Remember what I accomplished in antiquity! Truly I am God, I have no peer; I am God, and there is none like me, who announces the end from the beginning and reveals beforehand what has not yet occurred, who says, ‘My plan will be realized, I will accomplish what I desire,’
God says, I WILL ACCOMPLISH WHAT I DESIRE and that includes desiring that all of humanity be saved. What Christianity fails to understand is that God has a PLAN and instead of Christianity trying to understand God’s plan, they just changed God’s plan to suit their own religious agenda.
Now, David breaks down his arguments into four sections as follows;
1. The Early Church didn’t believe in Hell
2. The Greek/Hebrew words for Hell are mistranslated
3. The Greek/Hebrew word for Eternity are mistranslated, and
4. Hell is immoral
In the first section, he proclaims that the early church fathers supported the modern teaching of a literal conscious hell but David is quite ignorant and irresponsible in his research. Case in point, his use of a text from the Epistle of Barnabas that is written as follows;
“The way of darkness is crooked, and it is full of cursing. It is the way of eternal death with punishment.”
The first thing that you need to understand is that the Epistle of Barnabas although not a part of biblical canon was a letter written in GREEK not English so the use of this writing points to more of an argument at the credibility of bible translating. This is no proof at all that the early church fathers taught about hell it only proves that the bible translators were consistent with inserting their lies into the scriptures and into early church writings. I’m not going to go into all of the other quotes because the same principle applies. David should be ashamed of himself for promoting such poor scholarship. There is actually quite a bit of support that the early church never believed in a hell until after the church was immersed into the ideology and imagery of European mythology.
In the second section, David attempts to the argue against the universalist position that hell is mistranslated from the original words in the Greek and Hebrew and he defines the bible’s usage of the word hell as follows;
Hebrew: Sheol = the place of the dead
Greek: Hades = Greek equivalent of Sheol
Tarturus = netherworld / place of punishment for demonic beings
Gehenna – post resurrection place of torment
David’s definitions of Sheol and Hades are actually correct however, his definitions of Tartarus and Gehenna are extremely bogus. Not to be redundant as I’ve written on this topic already but the Greek word for which the word “Tartarus” is derived is “tartaroō” and that word is a VERB not a noun. Tartaroō is not a place, its not a netherworld and its certainly not a place of punishment for demonic beings. Tartarus is NOT a biblical word at all and it is clear that at some time in Christianity’s history this religious fiction was inserted into the bible and David is doing nothing but repeating this nonsense. Gehenna defined as the post resurrection place of torment albeit not grossly off but based on David’s purely carnal view of judgment and punishment it wouldn’t be difficult to surmise that he is referring to literal conscious never-ending torture chamber but that is not what Gehenna means at all.
As a believer with a universalist belief system, I can attest to the accuracy of David’s statement that Sheol and Hades are just the grave or the place of the dead. I’ve come to that conclusion based on what the scriptures teach and not from the interpretations of men. If you have watched David’s videos, you will then recall him making the statement that “context dictates meaning” but please show me just ONE scriptural reference that justifies that statement? If context really does dictate the meaning of any scriptural passage then surely we would have a scripture that gives us permission to do so but guess what? THERE IS NO SUCH SCRIPTURE! The “context dictates meaning” statement is a doctrine of men created by religious men so that they can change the word of God to mean whatever they want it to mean. The god of “context” is yet another example of one of Christendumb’s sacred idols. David goes on to describe biblical references of Sheol and Hades and he actually does so without error but he calls those statements only general references to death.
If the word of God says that the dead KNOW NOTHING then shame on the person that tries to convince you or anyone that the dead actually do know something which is exactly what David attempts to do. At the 20:00 mark of his 1st video, David quotes actual scriptures that indicate that there is NO consciousness in death then he turns around and contradicts himself in stating that there are actually scriptures that give greater descriptions of this so called “afterlife”. There is NO such thing as the “afterlife”… There is life and then there is death. Man has struggled with the concept of death for centuries and the best way to cope with such a difficult idea is to just make up fantasies. In the beginning back in Genesis 3, God says to man, you will surely die… but guess who comes around to be the antagonist? The SERPENT! and guess what he says? You shall not “surely” die… so David’s teaching is clearly in line with what the serpent proclaims instead of what God proclaims. David attempts to convince his audience that there are scriptures that give us deeper insight into the afterlife but notice that he didn’t quote a verse that says anything about an afterlife. He inserts his interpretation of some scriptures as to justify the pagan belief of an afterlife. So, we have SCRIPTURES that tell us exactly about the state of the dead and then we have David’s interpretation about some so called afterlife. David is a bold faced liar and a good tactician at being deceitful. The scripture he claims that supposedly gives us deeper insight into an afterlife is none other than the scripture in Deuteronomy that condemns the sin of necromancy or communicating with the dead. David states, “Why would the scriptures condemn necromancy if it wasn’t an actual thing?” Then he states, :”Why would God command us not to commit the sin of communication with the dead if it weren’t possible to communicate with the dead?” Are you freaking kidding me? Let’s read the actual full scriptural passage since David so graciously left out the “context” in his failed attempt at perverting the word of God.
Deuteronomy 18:9-12 When you come into the land which the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord, and because of these abominations the Lord your God drives them out from before you.
So… David thinks that necromancy is an actual real thing simply because the PAGAN NATIONS practiced it? So the test of what is real or what isn’t real is to be measured by the behavior of a godless heathen? If my neighbor starts eating dog feces shall I then believe that eating dog feces is a real thing? How absurd… the person that eats dog feces would obviously be out of their mind and I certainly wouldn’t want to measure reality from the perspective of someone that’s crazy. Likewise, any person that believes that they can COMMUNICATE with the literal dead is equally crazy and out of their mind. That is DEMONIC behavior so are we really supposed to believe that David is a ordained minister of God with this terrible teaching and weak attempt at justifying a literal afterlife? The only thing David has debunked is his standing as a true minister of God’s gospel. News flash David… communicating with the dead is NOT a real thing and that’s why it’s considered an ABOMINATION!
David doubles down with his spiritual nonsense by quoting 1 Samuel 28:7-19 in reference to the story of King Saul summoning a witch from Endor to bring Samuel back from the dead. Now understand this… David is CONVINCED that this “WITCH” has the power to resurrect a real person back from the dead but what do we know about the resurrection? In John 11:25, Jesus Christ himself states that HE is the resurrection… so there is no resurrection that happens outside of Christ so are we to believe that this witch from Endor literally raised Samuel from the dead with the power of Christ? David doesn’t care that his theology totally contradicts scripture…
Job 7:9 As the cloud disappears and vanishes away, So he who goes down to the grave does not come up.
Samuel DIED and went down to the grave and according to Job 7:9, he does NOT come up. So… we have a scripture in the bible which we believe to be the WORDS OF GOD that tells us that dead people do NOT come up from the grave…. Understand? Good… Now… we have David, who is a self-proclaimed minister of the “word of God” that claims that Samuel was called back from the grave… The word of God cannot be true as it is stated if what David says is true so who are we to believe? David, or the word of God? Do the scriptures really state that Samuel was called back from the grave? NO… they don’t and to be matter of fact, let’s read verse 14;
So he said to her, “What is his form?” And she said, “An old man is coming up, and he is covered with a mantle.” And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down.
Pay close attention here… the scriptures NEVER state that Samuel came back from the dead. The witch told Saul in verse 13 that she saw a spirit ascending out of the earth and in verse 14, we read that this spirit had the form of an OLD MAN… Remember that “spirit” is INVISIBLE so Saul PERCEIVED (that is, thought in HIS OWN MIND) that this “old man” envisioned of by a witch to be Samuel. Here is what you need to know about this passage of scripture…
Saul is disobedient to God and God has cut him off. Since God has cut him off, Saul summons the services of a witch which just so happens to be a condemned practice in Israel. Witches are known to have the ability to access false spirits otherwise known as DEMONS so Saul requests that she bring Samuel’s spirit back from the dead. This witch does NOT have the God given power to resurrect people from the dead but what she does possess is the power to access false spirits or demons and this “old man” that Saul perceived in his mind was a demon. God then turns around and uses this demon against Saul to reveal to him his own fate. Do we have a second witness of scripture that testifies to God using demonic forces to execute His purposes? Yes, we do actually…
1 Kings 22:22-23 The Lord said to him, ‘In what way?’ So he said, ‘I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ And the Lord said, ‘You shall persuade him, and also prevail. Go out and do so.’ Therefore look! The Lord has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these prophets of yours, and the Lord has declared disaster against you.”
Case closed! Samuel himself was NEVER brought back from the dead because he was dead and just as the cloud disappears and vanishes away, so he who goes down to the grave does not come up. There is no consciousness in Sheol or Hades.
Ecclesiastes 9:10 Whatever you do, do well. For when you go to the grave, (Hebrew – “Sheol”) there will be no work or planning or knowledge or wisdom.
Listen carefully, there is NO WORK, NO PLANNING, NO KNOWLEDGE, and NO WISDOM in Sheol (the grave). If people are conscious in Sheol then they must be in a vegetative state. The scriptures do NOT lie… Man lies… David lies. David’s usage of both of these scriptural passages in Deuteronomy and 1 Samuel to justify his belief in an afterlife is disgraceful.
He continues his fallacious conquest for justifying an afterlife by quoting Isaiah 57:2 from the New Living Bible Translation;
Isaiah 57:2 For those who follow godly paths will rest in peace when they die.
The New Living Bible Translation is not necessarily a bad translation but if you take a look at the Wikipedia page of the New Living Translation Bible, this is what you will read concerning it’s own translation philosophy;
The New Living Translation used translators from a variety of Christian denominations. The method combined an attempt to translate the original texts simply and literally with a dynamic equivalence synergy approach used to convey the thoughts behind the text where a literal translation may have been difficult to understand or even misleading to modern readers. A part of the reasoning behind adapting the language for accessibility is the premise that more people will hear the Bible read aloud in a church service than are likely to read it or study it on their own. It has been suggested that this “thought-for-thought” methodology, while making the translation easier to understand, is less accurate than a literal (formal equivalence) method, and thus the New Living Translation may not be suitable for those wishing to undertake detailed study of the Bible.
Now why would a supposed teacher of scripture quote scripture from a bible translation that is considered to be less accurate and unworthy of detailed bible study? That would be like a math teacher using and outdated math book to teach their students. Mr. Miyagi says, there are no bad students only bad teachers and while I only agree to that statement in part, it certainly applies to David. If we follow along with the biblical teachings about death instead David’s far reaching interpretations, it is simple to follow that there is peace in death for there is no pain, suffering, worrying, etc. in the grave. David proclaims that you cannot experience peace unless you have consciousness and he isn’t wrong in saying that statement however, he is wrong in assuming that the experience of peace is meant to be interpreted as a real experience. When people die, it is a common expression for the living world to say in reference to the dead, “rest in peace” for we know and see that they are not alive anymore to deal with all of the suffering and toiling that takes place in the world. David’s outlandish interpretations are laughable and he being someone who has boasted about the context dictating meaning has once again failed to consider the context of Isaiah 57:2 so let’s read verses 1 & 2 from a more responsible bible translation in the New King James Version;
Isaiah 57:1-2 The righteous perishes, And no man takes it to heart; Merciful men are taken away, While no one considers That the righteous is taken away from evil. He shall enter into peace; They shall rest in their beds, Each one walking in his uprightness.
This verse begins with telling us that the righteous perish and what does that mean? It means that the righteous die and we know this already because the bible has repeated that statement several times in scripture. When a righteous person dies, we do not fully understand why for we believe that a righteous person’s days should be extended but nobody really realizes that it is God doing them a favor by cutting their days short and removing them from this evil world. The person that has lived a godly life walking in uprightness will enter into peace when they die and go to the grave. This has nothing to do with illustrating that dead people are really not dead but alive in some pagan afterlife experiencing real peace. I guess according to David, the righteous die (but only pretend dead), then they go to this place where there is literal peace when they enter resting on literal beds… This is OBVIOUSLY written in a poetic style. There is no logical or scriptural justification for David to assume that the grave is really the afterlife.
David’s quoting of 1 Peter 3:18-20 is somewhat challenging to explain for the wording seemingly suggests that Christ literally preached to “spirits in prison” but let’s back up a bit to really deal with Jesus Christ being the Savior of the world.
Before we can understand 1 Peter 3:18-20, we have to understand the difference between being dead and being alive so let’s simply define the two… According to the Merriam- Webster dictionary, the words “alive” and “dead” are defined as follow;
Alive: having life, not dead or inanimate, still in existence, force, or operation.
Dead: deprived of life, no longer alive, lacking power to move, feel, or respond.
Hmmmm? Correct me if I’m wrong but these words seem a lot like antonyms not synonyms.
Do we have any REAL WORLD evidence that living things are alive and dead things are not? Uhhh? Yes, like everywhere in the world… When LIVING THINGS die, they are no longer alive and we use the word DEAD to describe things that are no longer alive.
In the beginning, God created everything that lives right? Okay, so what happened? Sin happened and because of sin, living things DIE. Death is the opposite of life. What did Jesus Christ do? He DIED for the sins of the world right? What is it that every Christian believes they have to do in order to be saved? They have to believe that God raised Christ from the DEAD!
Romans 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
How can David and all of Christianity believe they are saved when they don’t even believe that Jesus Christ was even dead? David wants you to believe that Jesus was ALIVE literally preaching to some spirits in prison when he was supposed to be DEAD and dying for the sins of the world. Listen very carefully… the wages of sin is DEATH not alternative life and Jesus Christ DIED! To be dead is not a change in location it is the absence of life. Jesus did NOT literally preach to any spirits in prison and just to be clear, this so called “prison” which David says is “Tartarus” is completely BOGUS. The word “prison” as it appears in 1 Peter 3:19 comes from the Greek word “phylakē” not the Greek word “tartaroō” which this word itself is erroneously linked to the Greek MYTHOLOGICAL teaching of Tartarus.
Now, we have to deal with this word “preach” in 1 Peter 3:19 for David makes it seems as if Jesus Christ literally went to Sheol/Hades I guess and preached a sermon to dead people the same dead people that have NO WORK, NO PLANNING, NO KNOWLEDGE, and NO WISDOM. According to David’s logic Jesus Christ might as well preach a sermon to basket of tangerines if we understand and believe that the dead truly know NOTHING! The word “preach” in 1 Peter 3:19 comes from the Greek word “kēryssō” and it is also translated as the words proclaim and publish in addition to preach. This word is defined in Dr. Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible as a herald or to officiate as a herald. The word herald itself is defined as an official messenger bringing news such as what we see stamped on the front of newspapers. So with what we now understand, let’s take a look at the actual scriptural passage that David quotes;
1 Peter 3:18-20 Christ suffered for our sins once for all time. He never sinned, but he died for sinners to bring you safely home to God. He suffered physical death, but he was raised to life in the Spirit. So he went and preached to the spirits in prison— those who disobeyed God long ago when God waited patiently while Noah was building his boat. Only eight people were saved from drowning in that terrible flood.
Let me be clear here… I do not like the New Living Translation because I believe that this translations robs the believer from understanding the actual message of the scripture. Here is the passage from the New King James Version;
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.
Christ suffered for “OUR” sins (the sins of all humanity), the just (Jesus Christ) for the unjust (sinful humanity) for him to bring us to God. (Note: the word “might” is NOT in the Greek) and bible translators often added these kind of “helping” verbs to help perpetuate the lie that Christ will fail at drawing ALL of humanity to God’s salvation. Now, what are these “spirits in prison”? Before we run to attach ourselves to the loads of religious garbage that comes out of David’s mouth, let’s pay attention to all of the words and understand what they mean biblically.
The word “spirit” comes from the Greek word “pneuma” and this word is translated as man’s spirit, the spirit of God, evil spirits, and the Holy Spirit. We have to be very careful in assuming that these “spirits” spoken of in 1 Peter 3:19 refer to actual living beings for even the dead had a “spirit” that was taken away at death. Remember what constitutes a living soul which we learned in Genesis 3 and it is the combination of a body and God’s life giving spirit. When we die, our bodies return to the earth and the “spirit” returns to God who gave it. Listen, we (humanity) do NOT own God’s spirit. God gives, and God takes away so at death, you no longer have the spirit that God gave you but this doesn’t mean that God has forgotten about the dead. The “spirits” in PRISON that is, the prison of SHEOL/HADES are DEAD PEOPLE! In Revelation 1:18, Jesus says that he has the KEYS to HADES and DEATH. What is a key used for? To unlock something locked right? Well, sinful humanity is locked in the grave (Hades) for the wages of sin is death. Since Christ died for the sins of the world he is bringing us to God to LIVE but the dead do not live again until the RESURRECTION! There were many people that died in the days of Noah but Christ being made alive in the “Spirit” that is to NEVER taste death again so the work of Christ is HERALDED and PROCLAIMED to the past dead (the spirits of the dead locked in the prison of death and the grave). Jesus NEVER literally preached to “spirits” in some pagan afterlife.
David then shifts attention to the New Testament and the Greek word “Hades” and he quotes Luke 16:22-23 to justify his pagan afterlife gobbledygook. In an attempt to make himself look better, he says that the universalist doesn’t like those scriptures in Luke 16 I guess because he thinks it proves the universalist wrong. He says that he’ll get criticized and that no one has ever been able to come up with a good explanation for his interpretation of Luke 16. He says to his audience that they’ll hear very far-fetched and stretched explanations about the explanation of Luke 16 and then he says that the universalist does a lot of biblical gymnastics to try to get around the very “clear” meaning of what the bible says… David then quotes Luke 16:22-23 which is very interesting because he doesn’t even quote the entire passage but he quotes those two scriptures because of the word Hades. Now remember…David himself has stated on more than one occasion that CONTEXT DICTATES MEANING, so why does he so often fail to consider the context in his own teachings. Is it possible that he doesn’t have a clue what he is talking about? That would appear to be a more plausible explanation but in his own argument, he attempts to deflate the idea that Luke 16:19-31 is a parable. Well, it is a parable and I’ll prove it… Luke 16:19-31 is actually part of a series of parabolic teachings from Christ going back to Luke 12 and watch the similarity of Christ’s parabolic introductions…
Luke 12:16 Then He spoke a parable to them, saying: “The ground of a certain rich man yielded plentifully.
Luke 13:6 He also spoke this parable: “A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard, and he came seeking fruit on it and found none.
Luke 14:16 Then He said to him, “A certain man gave a great supper and invited many,
Luke 15:11-12 Then He said: “A certain man had two sons.
Luke 16:1 He also said to His disciples: “There was a certain rich man who had a steward, and an accusation was brought to him that this man was wasting his goods.
Luke 16:19 “There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day.
Here is a list of the introductions to 6 of Christ’s parables all having similar wording while some even indicate that it is a parable. There is NO argument that the previous stories are parables but when it comes to Luke 16:23, Christianity needs it to be literal so they can be justified in cosigning the world to torment in their pagan afterlife. Sadly though, many Christians still having blind eyes and dull ears, do not understand the meaning of the passage. David says that Jesus wouldn’t use heresy to demonstrate a truth but guess who does? David does… You have used nothing but heresy to justify the man-made creeds and traditions you cling to. Jesus taught in parables to HIDE the spiritual application to his listeners. They didn’t get it and neither does David because he is as blind as the Pharisees were during Christ’s days on the earth.
Very simply put, the “rich man” died and he was buried and where do dead people go? They go to grave “Hades” where there is NO WORK, NO PLANNING, NO KNOWLEDGE, AND NO WISDOM. In John 5:28-29, Christ says that EVERYONE that is in the grave/hades (which includes the rich man) will hear his voice and shall come forth so in the resurrection to JUDGEMENT, the rich man will lift up his eyes in age-lasting torment (testing) when he has to face the sin-purging carnal destroying fire of God’s consuming spirit.
David then talks again about the word “Tartarus” again which I have already shown to be a completely BOGUS word that was added to the scriptures. The Apostle Peter never cosigned to or adopted any Greek mythological nonsense. David talking about universalist using biblical gymnastics is humor food. My question for David is have you ever even read or looked at a Greek concordance? It is unbelievable and unimaginable that this man is in a position of leadership and I feel sorry for his puppets for he is leading them far down the road of deception and destruction.
David next tries to tackle the subject of the word “Gehenna” and he fails once again trying to link Christianity’s pagan hell to Gehenna which literally means Valley of Hinnom. From a biblical standpoint, David is right in describing the Valley of Hinnom as a place where the Israelite’s had their own children pass through the fire as a sacrifice to the pagan god Molech. This place was later identified as a literal garbage dump which could be used as a link to Christ’s analogy but there are no biblical references to the Valley of Hinnom being a literal garbage dump. Ironically enough, if we are looking for solid evidence outside of scripture, there is little to no evidence of a hell outside of the evil fantasies of the pagan religious. Hell itself is a doctrine of pagan origin which God’s people learned after He commanded them not to follow in the ways of the pagans. David then quotes Matthew 10:28 to argue his next point;
Matthew 10:28 Don’t be afraid of those who want to kill your body; they cannot touch your soul. Fear only God, who can destroy both soul and body in hell (Gehenna).
David ASSUMES that Christ is talking about the afterlife but Christ is talking about no such thing. First of all, the way Matthew 10:28 is translated in the New Living Translation makes it appear as though one can live without a body but that is not the case. The word translated as “soul” in this verse comes from the Greek word “psychē” and it is properly translated in a number of other bible verses as the word “LIFE”. So the proper rendering of the verse is to not fear those who can “kill” the body but cannot kill your life (your carnal self) but rather, fear Him who can DESTROY both your body and your life (your carnal self) in Gehenna – the Valley of Hinnom… Does God really do this in the literal Valley of Hinnom outside of Jerusalem? No, the Valley of Hinnom is a SYMBOL but what would Christ use the Valley of Hinnon to symbolize? Well, in the book of Matthew, the theme of Christ’s usage of Gehenna centers around JUDGMENT. Christ is talking about the judgment of God for God is a consuming fire but this is obviously symbolic language for God is not a literal consuming ball of fire. God is LIKE a consuming fire in certain ways. So how is God like a consuming fire?
Malachi 3:2 But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears? For He is like a refiner’s fire and like launderers’ soap.
A refiner’s fire? David wants you to believe that the purpose of God’s fire is torture but the scriptures liken God’s judgment to a REFINING FIRE and LAUNDERER’S SOAP. Does anyone reading this have to be a theologian to comprehend that this language is speaking of a purification process? Also read 1 Corinthians 3:10-15 and you will see how God is like a consuming fire. It is CLEAR that David doesn’t have a clue what the purpose is for the judgment of God and how scripture uses fire as a metaphor to describe how fire destroys things of little value and refines things of much value. David’s argument to this clear and logical position is to suggest that this makes hell the savior. Are you freaking kidding me? David will not let go of the evil lies he believes for anything. Listen David, universalist do NOT believe in your pagan hell so of course hell isn’t the savior. Why would you make an argument on universalist according to the logic of something they don’t even believe? It is you that assumes that all references to fire mean hell so I guess according to your logic that God is hell since God is a consuming fire.
The next topic that David completely obliterates with ignorance is his teaching concerning the words in the bible translated as eternal, everlasting, and forever and ever. In the Hebrew, the word in question is “`owlam” and in the Greek, it is “aion” or “aionios”. Before David begins his teaching he takes a moment to basically call universalist arrogant for thinking that our understanding of the scriptures is right while the thousands of bible experts and bible translators got it wrong. David, they didn’t just get it wrong… THEY LIED and just because you have been duped into believing their lies is not a problem for the universalist. I guess David doesn’t understand the biblical teaching of the few and the many for he would not make a comment so littered with ignorance if he did. Revelation 12:9 tells us that the devil deceives the WHOLE WORLD so if that is possible then maybe God is only choosing out a remnant for a specific purpose.
David then goes on to teach us that the Hebrew and Greek words for age can sometimes mean ages or time periods but then he also suggests that these same words can also mean eternity or periods of unending time. He gives a pretty lame analogy to support his theory with his comparison of the Hebrew and Greek words “ruwach” and “pneuma” which are both translated as breath, wind, and spirit. He tries to make the comparison that since ruwach and pneuma can mean different words, `owlam, aion, and aionios should also be able to have different word meanings. His theory has a few problems and the first is that the words breath, wind, and spirit all have similar meanings and/or applications. The “breath” of life or God’s spirit was “breathed” into man to make him become a living being. Christ says that those born of the spirit are like the WIND so it is clear that these words have a connection with each other. For David to suggest that a word that means an age can also mean a period of time that is also eternal is like saying we can wait for an everlasting minute. It makes NO SENSE and that is was logical people call, an OXYMORON. I cannot believe that David’s listeners are so easily fooled by such square circles logic. A minute is a minute because it is a unit of time measured in seconds 60 seconds to be exact. David’s continues his square circles logic by quoting Psalm 90:2 in an attempt to justify his own foolishness;
Psalm 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever You had formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God.
Everlasting to everlasting? That sounds exactly like David’s stupid square circles logic. If we say minute to minute or hour to hour, it makes sense because those are units of time that we can measure. We cannot measure everlasting and to imply that there is more than one everlasting whatever everlasting means just causes ones head to spin. David criticizes the universalist position that from age to age, God is God but what is really wrong with that statement except for that fact that it proves everlasting to be a spurious word? Were you able to catch David’s own hypocrisy? David has mentioned on several occasions that it is the context that dictates meaning but David himself goes completely out of context with his bogus defense. David says that time didn’t apply before the creation of the world? How in the world do you know that David? If time didn’t apply before the creation of the world, WHEN did God create the world? Is that not a matter of time? What do the scriptures say? In the BEGINNING (that’s time), God created the heavens and the earth… Does it say, in the heavens and earth, God created the beginning? NO, the “beginning” is the beginning of time and after God created time, He created space (the heavens) then matter (the earth). David, you don’t know what your talking about do you? David says that God exists outside of time and I don’t necessarily disagree with that statement by itself, however, I thought according to David that the CONTEXT DICTATES MEANING.. Well, David, it would appear that you have taken Psalm 90:2 COMPLETELY out of context if your interpretation is referring to God existing outside of time. The context of Psalm 90 has to do with TIME as if refers to mankind’s experience of God. Notice how David chooses not to quote his favorite bible translation for this verse because it doesn’t say what he wants it to say. Here is Psalm 90:2 from the New Living Translation;
Before the mountains were born, before you gave birth to the earth and the world, from beginning to end, you are God.
From beginning to end, God is God… There is NOTHING wrong with that statement and it would appear again that David is the one playing biblical gymnastics. To further illustrate the CONTEXT of this Psalm, let’s read the first verse to see if the from age to age theology makes sense…
Lord, through all the generations you have been our home!
THROUGH ALL THE GENERATIONS? Doesn’t that sound more consistent with the theology of God being God in all the ages that mankind experiences? God is not God in a limited set of ages… God is God in ALL of the ages. David, you are absolutely UNBELIEVABLE and you have the audacity to consider universalist the ones promoting heresy? You are a heresy expert! I also caught your little trick and I’m going to expose you for it. David, being as inconsistent as he is now “flips” (pun intended) back to his favorite bible translation to quote Genesis 21:33;
Then Abraham planted a tamarisk tree at Beersheba, and there he worshiped the Lord, the Eternal (Hebrew – `owlam) God. (New Living Translation)
The fact that David thinks that God who he says exists OUTSIDE of time links a word to God that essentially means never ending time. God is not eternal for when time comes to and end (and time will come to an end), God continues to exist because God cannot die. GOD IS IMMORTAL – that is – God is not able to die! Man is NOT immortal so man’s experience with God is age-lasting. God uses man to accomplish His purposes but man dies. God raises up new men to accomplish His purposes and the cycle continues throughout time. God is the EONIAN GOD, the God of the AGES! That is no slack on God’s immortality but rather just an acknowledgment of God’s preeminence in all of the ages.
The quoting of Isaiah 51:6 doesn’t change anything… God’s salvation will endure for that particular age for God will not be saving mankind FOREVER as David suggests. In verse 5 of the same chapter, God proclaims to the nation of Israel, that His salvation is ON THE WAY. If it is on the way, then it hasn’t arrived yet making the process of God’s salvation IMPOSSIBLE to last forever. If a person is saved, they don’t need to be continually saved for all eternity for that is just stupid ideology.
David then quotes Daniel 12:2 and surely this verse will prove his point…
Many of those whose bodies lie dead and buried will rise up, some to everlasting life and some to shame and everlasting disgrace.
Well, what can I say… David, you got me on this verse but before I give up, let me try some of my best conspiracy theory connecting of the dots to this to this to this to counter your argument. Guess what I’m going to do? Wait for it… I’M GOING TO QUOTE THE VERY NEXT VERSE! Does that qualify as conspiracy theory connecting of the dots as you so fervently intend to purport David?
Daniel 12:3 Those who are wise will shine as bright as the sky, and those who lead many to righteousness will shine like the stars forever (not forever but beyond).
Here is my question… Who are the MANY people being led to righteousness described in verse 3? We have two groups of people discussed in both Daniel 12 verses 2 and 3. Some rising to (everlasting life?) and some rising to (everlasting shame?). In verse 3, we have (those who are wise) and (many being led to righteousness. David, it would appear that we have a little predicament on our hands if we are to believe your twisted theology. If we translate the Hebrew word as it is supposed to be translated which is AGE-LASTING, those who are wise will rise to AGE-LASTING life and THEY will be the ones leading the MANY to righteousness when the they later rise to AGE-LASTING judgment. Do I have a second witness that describes MANY people being led to righteousness through judgment? I’m glad you asked…
Isaiah 26:9 With my soul I have desired You in the night, Yes, by my spirit within me I will seek You early; For when Your judgments are in the earth, The inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.
1 Corinthians 6:2 says that the SAINTS will judge the WORLD so is it so far fetched and stretched that these same SAINTS are those who are wise that will serve as ambassador’s of God’s judgment that will ultimately lead the world to learning righteousness? I know you think I’m upset but I can assure you that I am not upset in the least. It brings me much joy to expose you Christian spiritual liars and terrorists. So, how do you like my answer even though you think universalists have no answer for explaining Daniel 12:2? Seems that your “big hurdle to overcome” is not so big after all.
In another shift in the New Testament, David attempts to take on the Greek word “aionios” and he begins with quoting Romans 16:26 & Hebrews 9:12;
Romans 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
I find it very ironic that David chose to quote this scripture not even realizing that this is one of my favorite verses to prove how bible translators manipulated the scriptures, the same bible experts that David boasted about when he alluded to the rigid arrogance of universalist. David clearly likes to do a lot of cherry picking when it comes to quoting scripture but he never considers the context that dictates the meaning of the scripture (pun intended). So, here is the dilemma… In Romans 16:26, WHAT WAS MADE MANIFEST? Well, the only way to figure that out is to read the previous verse so prepare yourselves for a magnificent pearl of information hidden by the church to keep its own believers deceived.
Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
So, the thing that was MADE MANIFEST spoken of in Romans 16:26 is the REVELATION of the MYSTERY of the preaching of Jesus Christ. Now, let me show you something…
Look at this picture… This is a picture of the Greek interlinear of Romans 16:25 taken from Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance on the Blue Letter Bible website, a source that David himself quotes in his sermon. Pay close attention to how each line of the English words in the KJV are linked to the corresponding Greek word that it was translated from. Notice at the very bottom of the list of Greek words, you will see Strong’s G166 and the word “AIONIOS! But wait, where is the English word eternal or everlasting? Ladies and Gentlemen… the bible translators left “aionios” UNTRANSLATED in this bible verse because they knew it wouldn’t fit. Let’s read Romans 16:25 again;
Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
Is the light bulb turning on yet? The revelation of the mystery of the preaching of Jesus Christ was KEPT SECRET SINCE THE WORLD BEGAN… next verse;
Romans 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the “everlasting” (SAME GREEK WORD “AIONIOS”) God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
Now wait a minute, the bible translators left “aionios” UNTRANSLATED in Romans 16:25 but then they somehow remembered to translate it as “everlasting” in the very next verse? I smell deceit… The bible translators KNEW that they couldn’t insert their “everlasting” lie in Romans 16:25 because it is clear that the revelation of the mystery of the preaching of Jesus Christ couldn’t be an everlasting “mystery” because Romans 16:26 tells us that it is NOW MADE MANIFEST. So, why would they do this? There is only one reason and they manipulated the scriptures to perpetuate the LIE of an eternal everlasting hell. Kudos to them for executing the devil’s work to perfection and the proof is in the pudding. How many so called Christians believe this lie? There are MANY Christians that believe this evil heresy and David is one of them. Again, there is NO slack in calling God, the Eonian God or the God of the Ages for God created the ages and God is God in all ages. God doesn’t exist in “eternity” for God’s existence has NOTHING to do with time. God is IMMORTAL!
David quoting Hebrews 9:12 is also very ironic;
Hebrews 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Remember that David tried very hard to convince you that the Hebrew word `owlam means everlasting but we see in Hebrews 9:12 that God’s people no longer require the blood of goats and calves for the sacrifice of sins for Christ has atoned for the sins of the world. Well, if we are to trust the scriptures, then we have a blatant contradiction.
Leviticus 16:33-34 And he shall make an atonement for the holy sanctuary, and he shall make an atonement for the tabernacle of the congregation, and for the altar, and he shall make an atonement for the priests, and for all the people of the congregation. And this shall be an “everlasting statute” unto you, to make an atonement for the children of Israel for all their sins once a year. And he did as the Lord commanded Moses.
AN EVERLASTING (`OWLAM) STATUTE? It is clear that we do not need the blood of goats and calves for the remission of sins but if you read the entire chapter of Leviticus 16, the entire theme deals with the priests of Israel making a sacrifices of goats and calves as a sacrifice for Israel’s yearly sins. Either the bible is contradictory therefore making it unreliable, or the Hebrew word `owlam doesn’t mean everlasting as many bible translations inaccurately portray. How do you like those biblical gymnastics? Again, the word of God doesn’t lie. Men lie, David lies..
Shifting back to the New Testament, David again attempts to justify that the Greek word “aionios” pertains to an eternal afterlife. I have already dispelled this myth but in order to be complete, I will continue to explain why “aionios” NEVER means eternal or everlasting. David quotes Matthew 18:8, Matthew 25:31-33, and Matthew 25:41 to justify the Christian heresy of the belief in literal everlasting fire. Here is a question to the reader… in regards to Matthew 18:8, do you really think Christ is instructing his disciples to literally cut off their hands or feet? Is it not clear that this is spiritual and symbolic? If this part of the scripture isn’t literal then why does David contend that the supposed “everlasting fire” is literal? The reason is because David doesn’t have a clue what he is talking about. He has no spiritual insight whatsoever and his carnal minded teaching is consistent with the evil heresies spewed all throughout Christianity. Prepare yourselves for a revelation about David since he wants all of his followers to believe that he is doing the will of God. David quotes Matthew 25:41 which is one of Christianity’s most favorite “hell” justifying verses and then goes on to explain that “Tarturus” is the place prepared for the devil and his angels but David lies again. I have already explained that the word “Tartarus” doesn’t even belong in the scriptures and the fact that David thinks that God would inspire Peter to use a pagan mythological word in His word is preposterous. David believes that this “everlasting fire” is synonymous with the pagan hell that Christianity has preached from its pulpits for centuries but David errs. David says that Matthew 25:41 is a universalist nightmare and he also says that you will never hear a simple answer for the explaining of this verse but let me pose this question… If the revelation of scripture was supposed to be simple, why would God raise up prophets to deliver His message? What would be the purpose of all the prophets that God used if everyone could just read the scriptures and understand what it says? It is clear that scriptural understanding is a gift from God and not something that everyone possesses? Here are the scriptures that David quotes;
Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
He then quotes Matthew 25:46, which is another “hell” verse that Christians love to continue his ungodly preaching;
Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
So, what is “everlasting fire” and is it really everlasting? David has quoted several bible verses to contend that this “everlasting fire” is indeed everlasting and he quotes Jude 1:7 as his last verse to argue his position;
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
David says that the universalist will “roll their eyes” at this verse saying that they have no real explanation and that no scholarly answer has ever been given claiming it again to be a believable conspiracy theory. Maybe it’s believable because sane people realize that torturing people with real fire is actually pretty damn evil. As for universalists rolling their eyes, I’d rather roll to the Ezekiel 16:43-55;
But first, because you have not remembered your youth but have angered me by doing all these evil things, I will fully repay you for all of your sins, says the Sovereign Lord. For you have added lewd acts to all your detestable sins. Everyone who makes up proverbs will say of you, ‘Like mother, like daughter.’ For your mother loathed her husband and her children, and so do you. And you are exactly like your sisters, for they despised their husbands and their children. Truly your mother was a Hittite and your father an Amorite. “Your older sister was Samaria, who lived with her daughters in the north. YOUR YOUNGER SISTER WAS SODOM, WHO LIVED WITH HER DAUGHTERS IN THE SOUTH. But you have not merely sinned as they did. You quickly surpassed them in corruption. As surely as I live, says the Sovereign Lord, Sodom and her daughters were never as wicked as you and your daughters. Sodom’s sins were pride, gluttony, and laziness, while the poor and needy suffered outside her door. SHE WAS PROUD AND COMMITTED DETESTABLE SINS, SO I WIPED HER OUT, AS YOU HAVE SEEN. “Even Samaria did not commit half your sins. You have done far more detestable things than your sisters ever did. They seem righteous compared to you. Shame on you! Your sins are so terrible that you make your sisters seem righteous, even virtuous. “BUT SOMEDAY I WILL RESTORE THE FORTUNES OF SODOM AND SAMARIA, AND I WILL RESTORE YOU, TOO. Then you will be truly ashamed of everything you have done, for your sins make them feel good in comparison. YES, YOUR SISTERS, SODOM AND SAMARIA, AND ALL THEIR PEOPLE WILL BE RESTORED, AND AT THAT TIME YOU ALSO WILL BE RESTORED.
Is this a clear enough explanation? Does this qualify as a scholarly answer David, even though your entire sermon lacks any worthy academic scholarship? How do you explain your teaching that the “aionios” fire of Matthew 25:41 and Jude 1:7 is everlasting when we can CLEARLY see from the passage in Ezekiel that GOD WILL RESTORE SODOM AND GOMORRHA? So how can they suffer the vengeance of “eternal fire” according to your teaching and the teachings of Christianity? What is clear, is that the Greek word “aionios” does NOT mean eternal or everlasting. The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrha is age-lasting and the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels is also age-lasting but who are the devil’s angels… David has already given you his twisted theology on who he thinks the devil’s angels are but I can assure you as he has been consistently wrong, he is wrong again. The issue here is with the word “ANGEL” and this word is tricky to define because humans have created images of fantasy when it comes to angels. When we think of angels, we think of beings of heaven with wings, a halo, and a harp. When we lose a loved one, we say silly stuff like, “they finally got their wings” suggesting that we just transform into “angels” to fly around in heaven I guess. None of this is supported by scripture… it is all religious fantasy. The word “angel” comes from the Greek word “aggelos” and according to Dr. Strong’s Concordance, “aggelos” simply means a MESSENGER. John the Baptist was an “angel”, not a heavenly being but simply a messenger for that is what the word means and John the Baptist is called a “messenger” from the same Greek word ” aggelos”.
Matthew 11:10 For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my MESSENGER (Greek: aggelos) before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
So, all angels do not have to be heavenly messengers and there is NO place in the bible that says that the devil has messengers that come from heaven. The “stars of heaven” spoken of in the book of Revelation are a symbol for believers and not actual “angels of heaven”. The devil never dragged literal angels out of a literal heaven during some war in heaven. That is all religious fantasy. So, an “angel” is a messenger, an envoy, or simply, one who is sent and these can be human or heavenly beings. One interesting note is that in Dr. Strong’s biblical definition of “angel”, he defines it as a messenger and by implication a “PASTOR”. The pastors of Christianity’s churches are indeed messengers but if what I have presented to you is true, then there is much argument to suggest that the pastor’s of Christianity are not sent from God. But if God didn’t send them, who did? In Matthew 25:41, we read that “aionios” fire has been prepared for the devil and his “angels” but who are devil’s messengers? What other group of people are responsible for deceiving the whole world into believing that God is literally going to torture most of humanity in real fire for all eternity? Burning anything living for the purposes of just killing it is considered to be a vile and despicable act but in that case, at least the subject DIES! The leaders of Christianity teach that God has created man with an “immortal soul” (which by the way is totally unscriptural) and since man has a so called “immortal soul”, God will punish the wicked and unbelieving populations of the world with REAL FIRE for all eternity. We are talking about BILLIONS upon BILLIONS of people including mothers, fathers, aunts, uncles, grandparents, children, cousins, nieces, nephews, grandchildren, and a host of other extended family members. Imagine seeing your MOTHER or your DAUGHTER being barbecued alive in a body (soul?) that can NEVER die… This is what the leaders of Christianity say is JUST punishment for the person that “rejects” God. They have convinced the world that Christianity is God’s religion and they spread their spiritual terrorism around the world with pride. There is nothing spiritual, loving, reasonable, or logical about torturing people with real fire. The messengers of the devil are HUMAN and it is but the leaders of Christianity that spread this most blasphemous and damnable message in their temples of terror (churches) not even realizing that it is Satan’s headquarters. The messengers of the devil are the “pastors” of Christendom! Revelation 12:9 tells us that the devil deceives the WHOLE WORLD and if the whole world is susceptible to such deception, then there must be enough deception available in the world for the whole world to be deceived by it. In the judgment, God will cause these lying deceiving ministers of the devil’s work to go through the age-lasting spiritual fire of God’s consuming spirit purifying them of their evil carnal wickedness.
Explaining Matthew 25:41 was certainly no nightmare but the revelation that David himself is one of the devil’s angels (messengers) might cause him to have nightmares. Even with that said, there is still goodness that comes out of God’s punishment. The “everlasting fire” prepared for the devil and his angels (which includes David, and the entire host of Christianity’s deceived pastors) is AGE-LASTING for that is the true definition of the Greek word “aionios”. The “everlasting punishment” erroneously translated as such in many bible translations comes from the Greek phrase “aionios kolasis”. Now, I have spent a lot of time dealing with the Greek word “aionios”, but now this word has been connected with this Greek word “kolasis” but what does that word mean? According to Dr. Strong’s Greek concordance, this Greek word “kolasis” comes from the root word “kolazō” and that word is defined as to punish, to curb, check, or restrain, to chastise or correct, and to lop or prune. Well, that’s interesting… The real issue here is the idea of punishment. What is the purpose of punishment? Is it not to correct? Parents put their children on punishment or they punish them for bad behavior but the punishment is intended to motivate better behavior. The punishment must end before the child can practice better behavior. Imagine spanking a young child “forever”? How absurd is that? Spanking a child for more than a minute or two is borderline child abuse for the point of spanking to begin with is to eliminate undesirable behavior. A parent must stop the spanking before the child can learn from it so the teaching of “everlasting punishment” is grossly evil and incoherent. For anyone to suggest that this is an example of God’s higher justice is out of their mind. The Greek word “kolazō” defined as to lop or prune as it refers to gardening is actually a GOOD THING and this metaphor is applicable when it comes to understanding the purpose of God’s judgment. If I prune a tree, that is, to cut off some of it’s bad branches, the idea is that it will grow healthier branches in the future. When God cuts off or cuts out our sinful carnality, we will grow (learn righteousness) in the future and this is through the experience of God’s age-lasting pruning (corrective judgment).
David believes that the parallel of being given eternal life is equally contrasted with the unbeliever receiving everlasting punishment but we clearly see from the scriptures that “aionios” NEVER means eternal or everlasting. Does God promise eternal life to the believer? NO, God never promises “eternal life” to the believer but rather, God promises the believer AGE-LASTING AIONIOS life which is an additional age of life that the rest of the world doesn’t get to experience. Think about it like this… Let’s say a CEO of a company goes away for business and says he will return but nobody knows when. The company is going under but the CEO says he has a plan to save the company. If his plan works, he promises to take all of his employees on a vacation when he returns. He entrusts a few employees with running his business in his absence. When he returns, he reviews the work of all his employees and especially of those he entrusted with his business. The ones he entrusted with his business he takes them on a special cruise only reserved for them. The other employees do not get to experience the special cruise. When the cruise is over, they all go on the vacation as originally planned.
Now, the CEO of course is Christ and the employees of the business are the inhabitants of the world. The company is your life on earth in the mortal carnal state that is subject to death and the CEO has a plan to save us from death. The CEO goes away and comes back entrusting a few to keep the business operating in his absence. This is Christ dying for the sins of the world and then promising that he will return. The special cruise and the vacation represent the 2 resurrection events with the first one being reserved for the few that the CEO entrusted with his business. They are given a special reward that nobody else gets to experience and this is what God promises the “believer” and that is “aionios” age-lasting life. An additional age of living after death and realized in the first resurrection. During this age, the age where the faithful few will be enjoying this “aionios age-lasting life”, the rest of the dead will still be in the grave awaiting the second resurrection which is when the rest of the world will be saved (the vacation for all). The phrase “eternal life” is a misnomer because it places an impossible constraint on time implying that time never ceases. Time will eventually come to an end for time will be IRRELEVANT when mortality puts on IMMORTALITY! Believers do NOT need eternal life for when they rise in the resurrection to life, they are raised in spiritual IMMORTAL bodies that can never die. So when the age of the first resurrection comes to an end ushering in the events of the second resurrection, believers or (first resurrection participants) will continue to live because they were made immortal in the first resurrection. This is really not that difficult to understand when we actually begin to unlearn the lies that have been shoved down our throats from the pulpits of Christianity for centuries.
David quoting Revelation 14:11 only adds further scrutiny to his godless sermon suggesting that the smoke of the torment of those who worship the beast will last FOREVER AND EVER…
FOREVER… AND EVER? If forever really means forever, what is forever AND ever? Why did they stop at just two evers? Why not forever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever…. and ever and ever and ever and ever……… and ever and ever and ever and ever? Why even stop at all? This is the stupid theology of Christianity that I am trying to point out and David clearly has no clue what he is talking about. The fact that he thinks this is even literal is hilarious! If I set wood on fire, the smoke from the wood burning will smoke as long as there is wood remaining. Once the wood is completely burned up, the smoke will go away. Anyone that has ever had to keep a camp fire or a fireplace lit knows this. You have to keep adding wood or the fire and smoke will go out. Smoke is a product of fire not torment so this is OBVIOUSLY symbolic language.
The Greek words translated as “ever” in this bible verse comes from the Greek word “AION” which is appropriately translated as “AGE” in many bible verses. The correct translation is “ages of the ages” which essentially means AS LONG AS NECESSARY… Do I have another witness to back up my claim that the phrase “forever and ever” actually means “ages of the ages”? Of course I do…
Revelation 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!”
This verse tells us that Christ shall reign forever and ever which is the same phrase translated in Revelation 14:11 but does Christ really reign “forever and ever” or does he eventually give up the kingdom to God the Father? Let’s allow the scriptures to teach us and not David’s unholy interpretation…
1 Corinthians 15:22-28 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. Then comes the end (the culmination), when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign until He has put all enemies under His feet. The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.
Now, notice that the ALL that die in Adam are contrasted with the same ALL that will be made alive in Christ. EVERYONE is subjected to death because of Adam’s sin so in the like manner, EVERYONE will be subjected to life through the righteousness of Christ to be made alive from which death will never have any future dominion. God has an order to His salvation plan yet Christianity teaches that if you don’t choose Christ in your earthly life, you will spend an eternity separated from God is some pagan hell to be tortured in real fire for all eternity. All thanks be to God that we do not have a God that is a terroristic monster painted by the church. God is loving and God is merciful. God is JUST but to be just requires God to do that which is RIGHT! Christ will put ALL of his enemies under his feet and as of right now, his enemies include the devil and his angels (the pastors of Christianity). Christ will reign for the “AGES OF THE AGES” for we clearly read in verse 25 that Christ must reign UNTIL (meaning up to the point that it ends) he has put all his enemies under his feet and then he will deliver the kingdom to God the Father. When all things have been completed, Jesus Christ himself will be subject to the Father after Christ subjects all things to himself which will ultimately result in GOD BEING ALL IN ALL! Who is left out in this ALL? It is amazing how someone like David can express that he wishes that God would save all of humanity but then goes on to preach a sermon full of heresy to make sure that God will not save all of humanity.
David says that the most persuasive argument concerning hell is the moral argument. He says alluding to this argument, “How can God punish someone for all eternity for a life of temporary sin”? He justifies this argument by saying that we, (humans) send people to away for their entire lives for a crime that took only minutes to commit. He says, “It’s not the length of time you spend committing a crime that matters but rather it’s the level of evil in the crime you commit”. Well, the scriptures tell us that liars and murderers go to the same lake of fire to be tormented. Shall a liar and a murder have the same judgment? They don’t on earth so why is God’s justice worse than that of humans? God’s justice is HIGHER than man’s not lower. David fails to mention in his argument that going to prison for a life sentence is typically reserved for the most serious crimes and while a person can go to prison for life, they are not sent to prison to be tortured for their whole life. They are sent to prison to be separated from society to avoid the possibility of re-offending. There are many people that go to jail and prison coming out REHABILITATED and that is why we call prisons CORRECTIONAL FACILITIES because the goal is to correct. People can change under the right circumstances. People can be corrected and people can be rehabilitated. Humans are ALL naturally bent towards evil and if it wasn’t for God holding us back from ourselves, we would ALL do nothing but evil continually. God makes vessels of honor (righteous people) and vessels of dishonor (evil people). This is necessary in a world where we must learn and experience good and evil to have knowledge of good and evil. As far as God punishing sinners for their sin, I thought Jesus Christ DIED for the sins of the world? Was the sacrifice that Jesus made on the cross not sufficient? According to David and the theology of Christianity, Jesus dying on the cross wasn’t enough and God failed in His quest to redeem humanity. The wages of sin is DEATH not an eternal life of being tortured in some pagan hell.
David says, “When you violate the holiness of God, you are violating an eternal holy standard and therefore the punishment is just.”
What was the first supposed “eternal holy standard” that man violated? Do you remember? The first commandment of God to man was to not eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. MAN ATE A PIECE OF FRUIT! This is what David considers to be worthy and just for God to punish humanity for all eternity in the fires of hell… EATING A FRIGGING PIECE OF FRUIT… David doesn’t mention that it was God that first made man FLESH and with the flesh comes all of the lust thereof. God created the garden and put the tree of the knowledge of good and evil IN THE MIDDLE of the garden. Then, God put a lying deceiving serpent in the garden to help him out I guess (sarcasm). If God’s initial intent was for man to be obedient, then God sure set that stage for man to fail. The problem here is that David nor does Christianity understand God’s plan. They liken God to a stupid failure in His creation of man but rest assured that God isn’t stupid and He is also not a failure. Man is stupid and man fails all the time.
David says, “The only reason that we are offended by the thought of hell is because we are not offended enough by sin. I don’t think we really grasp the depths of depravity that is the nature of sin. I don’t think we truly grasp how horrific and how atrocious our rebellion against God is.”
Well, David, your teaching and support for one of the most horrific and atrocious doctrines ever invented is proof of the depths of depravity that you speak about. People who are offended about hell are people who have a normal sense of morality. If a person burned a cat to death in real fire and posted the video on YouTube, that person would be put in prison but people like David have no quarrels with believing that God is going to literally burn BILLIONS of people’s family members in some godless hell not for a year, a century, and not even a quadrillion ages but for ALL ETERNITY! This is what David and Christianity considers to be God’s “higher” form of justice. The teaching of hell is rank blasphemy and these ministers of the devil promote it with pride.
David says that God is loving, merciful, and kind but then he argues that God is also just and also a God of wrath as if God’s justice and anger overcomes His mercy… What does the word of God say?
James 2:13 tells us that MERCY TRIUMPHS OVER JUDGMENT!
Does God’s anger last forever? I’m glad you asked…
Micah 7:18 Who is a God like You, Pardoning iniquity and passing over the transgression of the remnant of His heritage? He does not retain His anger forever, Because He delights in mercy.
Christians using the “God is a God of “JUSTICE” and God is a God of wrath is NOT justification for the belief in God torturing sinners in hell. Justice involves doing what is right, not getting even, which is exactly why Christians despise the word of God. They hate that they had to give up the world they loved so they want God to torture sinners in hell for all eternity! They believe it is right and just… Unbelievable!
David ends his sermon telling a story about a discussion he had with a pastor that was converted to universalism and he posed this question to that pastor?
“What are you going to do, if you stand before God and you find out you were wrong leading (millions?) or thousands astray or part of the movement that led millions astray… What would you say to God? He says that the person he was discussing with said that he would point to God and say, “You are a bad God and I don’t want to serve you!”
DAVID? WHAT WILL YOU SAY TO GOD IF YOU STAND BEFORE HIM AND REALIZE THAT YOU ARE WRONG LEADING ALL OF YOUR VIEWERS ASTRAY? The question can easily be posed when you assume that you are right because nobody assumes that they are wrong but you are in fact DEAD WRONG about essentially everything you teach so this judgment will be on you! You cannot use your moral argument against the universalist for it is you that tries to convince people that being tortured in fire is actually a righteous act of God. You say that universalism stems from the idea that man has a higher morality than God. That man has a higher standard of justice and righteousness than God or a better grasp of justice and righteousness than God. You like to lie don’t you? It is you and all of Christianity that likens God’s standard of justice to that which is far WORSE than Hitler’s evil idea of justice. Hitler tortured his victims but guess what? THEY ALL DIED! Hitler is perceived as one of the most EVIL people of all time yet what you teach about God’s judgment in comparison to Hitler makes his Auschwitz look like Disneyland. God is creating humanity IN HIS IMAGE so humans have an innate moral understanding of what is right and what is wrong. You cannot magically change something that is evil and turn it around and say it is righteous just because you assign it to God. God’s standard of righteousness is not the problem… it is YOU and your entire corrupt religion that commits blasphemy of the Holy Spirit by assigning such rank evil to the Almighty. You say that universalism – the teaching that God will save ALL OF HUMANITY is a wicked wicked doctrine.. ARE YOU SERIOUS? You think God saving all sinners is wicked while believing that God torturing BILLIONS of sinners in Christianity’s pagan hell to be RIGHTEOUS? And you think universalist have a twisted view of morality? I rest my case…
David Diga Hernandez, YOU ARE A SPIRITUAL TERRORIST!