The Real Gospel of Christ

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1. I just found your site and I have only read a little . . . it will take some time to read more. But I do have a question for you . . . are you familiar with a class called “Power for Abundant Living”? Many (not sure about “all”) of the topics you deal with are right in line with this class. I would be VERY surprised if you have never heard of it. Please feel free to email me if this post doesn’t make it to this comments section. 🙂 God bless you.

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   1. Hi Jennifer, I received your comment but you won’t be able to see it posted in the comment section until I approve the comment because all comments go to moderation. This reduces the amount of spam messages I receive and only the messages I approve will show in the comment section. I have approved your comment so you should be able to see your comment section. If you have signed up to follow this blog, you should get notifications from WordPress for new articles that I publish and new comments made in the comment section. As to your second comment, I am assuming that it is a design issue with WordPress. All of my posts are actually not posts but pages that I have added over the years. Posts and pages have different attributes on WordPress. If I were to make an actual post, the post would show up on the main page and it would start a thread for others to comment on and/or follow. WordPress pages do not have this same attribute as it is more akin to a normal page that you would see on most websites. I designed this site to feel more like a website and not a blogsite. That is why I made the comment section so that people can interact with me and others. I hope this clears up any confusion you may have.

      I have not heard of the class called, “Power of Abundant Living”. Could you provide a link so that I can check it out? I would be interested in reviewing the class to see what similarities we both have. Thanks for commenting.

      Sulaiman

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2. Well, I received an email from WordPress but it makes no sense! The email says . . . “You recently signed up to follow one of my posts. This means once you confirm below, you will receive an email when new comments are posted.
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   When I click on “Confirm Follow” it takes me to another page that says – “Sorry, no posts match the real gospel of christ.”. And that is it! I cannot do anything else! I tried putting in a page title, your url . . . no matter what I put in – it says “sorry, no posts…..” I am usually pretty smart but I cannot figure this out. AND I want to figure it out because I would like to know the answer to my question to you above! thank you.

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3. I would like this to be a private message . . . please do not post on your site. I would like to tell you why I cannot send you a link to the class I mentioned above. I tried to respond to the email I received from you but the return address is a “no reply” address.

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   1. Send to admin@therealgospelofchrist.com

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4. Tragically, present-day Christians have little understanding that the terminology, “THE LAKE OF FIRE” is simply a metaphor for God’s Spiritual Fire which is a refining Fire that purifies, not destroys.

   Deuteronomy 4:24 – “The Lord thy God is a consuming fire.”  Hebrews 12:29 – “For our God is a consuming fire.”  Malachi 3:2 –  “The Lord is like a refiner’s fire.” 

   By understanding these few facts below, hopefully it will lead to a better understanding of a number of questions that the reader may have.

   John 6:44 clearly states that nobody can come to JESUS unless the Spirit of God draws them to JESUS. We did not come to JESUS on our own. We only came to JESUS because God’s Spirit drew us to JESUS.

   There are billions of people who God’s Spirit never drew them to JESUS. God is not going to sentence billions of people to eternal torment and damnation who never even had the Spirit of God draw them to JESUS. 

   Even though God created multitude upon multitude of angels, GOD’S DEEP DESIRE WAS TO CREATE A SPECIAL CREATION (THE TRUE CHURCH) THAT WOULD BECOME HIS BRIDE. The past 6,000 years has been for the purpose of preparing a Bride (THE TRUE CHURCH) for CHRIST. God is a God of preparation.

   At some point and time in the future, after JESUS and His Bride begin to rule and reign on the Earth, God’s Spirit will fall upon the rest of humanity who has ever lived from the beginning of creation, and will begin His transforming work in them which will restore them back to God (like Adam and Eve in the beginning of creation), and they will live in the Kingdom of God for eternity.

   This is the “GOOD NEWS” of the GOSPEL OF CHRIST FOR ALL (NOT FOR JUST A FEW).

   Once we have a good understanding of this part of God’s plan, much of what did not make much sense to us before, begins to cause the pieces of the puzzles to come together and solve what was once so difficult for us to understand.

   I have written a 33 page document that goes into great detail. If anyone would like a copy, email me at: (candy33alan@aol.com) and I will email you a copy.,

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5. Thank you so much! I have long searched for these answers! The Modern Catholic and Christian doctrine that I was taught when I was young always made me question why an all loving God would damn their creation to eternal torture. It never made sense to me that once its done in life you are doomed for eternity.

   Thank you again for clearing up the corruption of the Holy Lord’s Teachings. Many blessings and peace to you and your family!

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6. I have been banned from commenting on that particular youtube channel. It doesn’t really matter, what you believe really. God will judge rightfully. Jesus says, whoever adds or takes away from the scripture is cursed.
   Here is something you took away:
   The false prophet and the Antichrist will be thrown into the lake of fire for everlasting! torment. Revelation 19:20, 20:10. They are men like we are. Their followers will find the same fate obviously. So your doctrine fails here already. But that isn’t it yet.
   Jesus says in Rev 21,8:But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (death = final destruction)
   Then Jesus is asked in Luke 10,25-28:On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”“What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”“You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
   So I recommend you to lay off this false doctrine that any person will go up into heaven. It will only backlash into your face. Jesus didn’t say such a thing.
   Do this and you will live. Don’t do it and you won’t live.
   Because what you are doing here is creating another Jesus. That’s why Jesus said, they will come to me and say: haven’t we done many miracles in your name, and he will say “I never knew you, depart from me, you evildoers.”

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   1. So you think what you believe should matter more to me than what I believe? I seriously doubt that. You don’t have to agree with me or care what I believe but I also have that same right. God will judge rightfully so we agree there but that’s about as far as I’m willing to go after reading your terrible interpretation of scripture.

      The false prophet is most certainly NOT a man and there are many “anti-Christ’s”. These are religious fantasies you believe because they tickle your ears. You have no clue what the lake of fire is but I’m sure you prefer that God torment most of the world in a literal lake of fire because you are moral idiot. People that go to the lake of fire will have their works tried by the fire just as Paul describes it in 1 Corinthians 3. You seriously have no spiritual understanding at all. I guess according to you Jesus has a literal sword coming out of His mouth and Death and Hades are literally riding on horses prepared for battle. This is clearly symbolic language and so is the lake of fire. Do you really believe that a fearful person deserves everlasting torment? Or that they should share the same punishment as a murderer? That is clearly a dishonest scale of justice which God says is an abomination (Proverbs 11:1). God doesn’t contradict Himself and that is why those who go to the lake of fire will have their part or rather PORTION which is clearly not everlasting torment. The word translated as torment is not torment as we understand the word today. This word is used to describe the torment someone might experience from a disease, being tossed by the waves at sea, the toiling from rowing a boat, or the pain from childbirth. God uses these experiences to teach character, to build humility, and to instruct in righteousness. Only an evil sadistic monster would do what you claim and it’s certainly not a characteristic of a God who is love. I pity people that think like you in such a reprobate way but what’s worse is you’re actually defending this trash. The second death is the death of “Adam”, the carnal man of flesh and sin that lives in all of us. When believers are baptized into Christ’s death, do they literally die? Of course they don’t literally die but something dies. What dies? The works of the flesh die and believers are no longer slaves to sin. They are a new creation. Do you know what brimstone is? Brimstone is an archaic word for sulphur but do you know why God includes brimstone in the lake of fire? Here is Dr. Strong’s definition of brimstone – divine incense, because burning brimstone was regarded as having power to purify, and to ward off disease. Why would God add an ingredient that’s meant to purify if His goal was to torment people forever? Maybe you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. God doesn’t judge to torment, He judges to refine.

      Isaiah 48:10 Behold, I have refined you, but not as silver; I have tested you in the furnace of affliction.

      I see you’re into bibliolatry since you think your preferred Bible translation is scripture but you are mistaken. There is no such thing as eternal life in scripture. I’ve talked about the true meaning of the Greek word aionios numerous times but people are so ignorant and lazy that they will continue repeating lies even after learning about the lie. The Jewish people knew about the age to come and that was the reference being made in Luke 10.

      Before you start making recommendations, know what you’re talking about first because I have never stated that any person will go up to heaven. Jesus said that no one has ascended up to heaven but that hasn’t stopped foolish Christians from thinking they’ll go up to a heaven when they die. For someone trying pathetically hard to criticize another person you should focus more on checking yourself. You assume that “heaven” is synonymous with eternal life but you are wrong. The salvation of all has not to do with Christianity’s fairytale heaven. You clearly do not love God since you do nothing but blaspheme His name and you most assuredly do not love your neighbors. You despise your neighbors and want them to burn in hell for all eternity. You’re disgusting. Accusing me of creating another Jesus is just a reflection of your stupidity. Your favorite Bible translation is not Jesus. Do yourself a favor and try reading what I actually have written instead of making outlandish accusations. You might learn something but I doubt it. You’re too stiffnecked and in love with your precious Christian dogmas.

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      1. All I can take from your answer is that you did not ask God in prayer but rather try to understand it for your own. God reveals the truth. The Pharasees did the same, they claimed to know God, but they never had a relationship with Him and did the things of the Devil. Deveice and slander. If you have a relationship with God, you will know these things. The human heart is deceitful, therefore you WILL be reading something into the scripture, that is not there, if you don’t seek out to God for revelation.

         Lake of Fire is a real place, it is burning for real and souls will be there eternally. Ask God to clarify it to you. Don’t fight with me over it. I did not create all things.

         Isaiah 43,4
         Since you are precious and honored in my sight,
             and because I love you,
         I will give people in exchange for you,
             nations in exchange for your life.

         Jeremiah 6,16

         Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

         Matthew 10,28

         And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

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      2. Frank, with all due respect, my relationship with God doesn’t include you and I don’t need your approval for how I live my life. You are out of line for speaking on my prayer life when that is none of your business. This forum IS specifically for discussing the content and for sharing ideas not evaluating other people’s prayer life. The insinuations you made are laughable in a sense but also ignorant because you clearly do not have a relationship with God as much as you think you do. You have a relationship with Churchianity.

         You say that God reveals truth, which I agree with, but the truth clearly hasn’t been revealed to you if you think the lake of fire is a real place that is burning for real where souls will be there eternally. This is the most carnal and evil of interpretations a person can have and this is what you think of God? You no more have a relationship with God than a baboon does. It is mind blowing that a person can think they know God while also believing in a doctrine that is far beyond God’s nature in any context. You cannot impose your evil desire for souls to burn in the lake of fire for all eternity just because it makes you feel special. I addressed this in my comment to thatguy777 but you didn’t speak on a single argument I made. You just repeated commonly held themes within Christianity because you don’t have an ability to think for yourself.

         You say the human heart is deceitful which it is but you don’t realize that it is your own deceitful heart that is causing you to believe in such a terrible teaching. It would be a gross evil to burn someone literally for 5 minutes let alone for all eternity. The devil himself couldn’t even devise something so wicked. Please tell me when you sought out God for revelation? Because if you did, you would KNOW that the lake of fire is merely a symbol with a much higher spiritual meaning. The fact that you don’t understand this tells me virtually everything I need to know about you. Everything you have accused me of you are guilty of committing yourself, which makes you a hypocrite. You do not have any spiritual understanding at all and cherry picking scriptures isn’t proof that you do.

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      3. You are mistaken, and here is some real proof of hell. Take the time to watch these, I dont think it will be a waste. I don’t want people to burn in hell. God also doesn’t want it. That is why he warns people to repent from deadly sins.

         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1uEl6Fi9sQ&list=PLYV2wTPPIVhThYFs59sNIciVP6L7yT_yF&index=8&ab_channel=TouchingTheAfterlife

         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9cSj1jFWU8&list=PLYV2wTPPIVhThYFs59sNIciVP6L7yT_yF&index=15&ab_channel=PRECIOUSTESTIMONIES

         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18Os663dF0U&list=PLYV2wTPPIVhThYFs59sNIciVP6L7yT_yF&index=1&ab_channel=2031TruthChanneL

         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9ymsoQXpvw&list=PLYV2wTPPIVhThYFs59sNIciVP6L7yT_yF&index=21&ab_channel=MikeKnoll

         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N94InzLM_qk&list=PLYV2wTPPIVhThYFs59sNIciVP6L7yT_yF&index=19&ab_channel=AlmostFalse

         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY6MgfLIsPc&list=PLYV2wTPPIVhThYFs59sNIciVP6L7yT_yF&index=17&ab_channel=jamesjoseph

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      4. You know the Antichrist will also think he is doing the right thing. Opposing the teachings of Jesus is the spirit of the Antichrist. But the Antichrist is also a person. The final form if you will. Whenever Jesus spoke in parabels, he cleared it up afterwards. The book of Revelation is not a parabel. There is no clearing up needed. Lake of fire is lake of fire. Second death is second death (after the physical death). The Antichrist is the Antichrist.

         I can provide you some links that are literal proof for what I am saying. I tried to post them earlier, but I don’t think they came through.

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      5. I just realized that you are both “thatguy777” and “Frank” since your comments are coming from the same email but I’m not sure why you have different names. The comment you posted with the links was received but it went to my spam folder. I have approved it and it is available in the comment section but I am not endorsing it. It is surprising to me that you give some much power to YouTube as if people can’t lie or be deceived in their videos. Just because there were enough to convince you does not meet the standard of what you call “literal proof”. Those videos are complete garbage and there isn’t a video on this planet that would ever convince me that God is going to torture the majority of humanity in a place called hell. I already know that hell is a false doctrine and that is why I spend hundreds of hours studying the topic before I wrote my series on the false doctrine of hell. I’m afraid you are mistaken and for someone that thinks hell is real, I can see why you believe all of the other Christian myths and fantasies.

         It’s good that you don’t want people to burn in hell but the good news is, they won’t. Nobody will because hell does NOT exist. The idea of hell only exists in the minds of the deceived. Since you recommended that I watch those disgusting videos, why don’t you read my article on the false doctrine of hell? You might learn something and you might for the first time in your life, learn that our Creator is not the sadistic monster the Church has painted Him to be. Hell has never been a part of God’s judgment or punishment for sin. The wages of sin is DEATH, not eternal life in hell. Frank you don’t know what you’re talking about and your level of deception is troubling.

         Repeating a lie over and over again will not somehow magically turn the lie into a truth. I am trying to help you but you do not seem to want the help. I am not merely speaking on my personal beliefs but from hours of study with multiple Bible translations in addition to Hebrew and Greek concordances. With that said, I can tell you with absolute certainty that there isn’t a single phrase in the original languages of scripture that says, “THE Antichrist”. This is a product of tradition a from Christian theologians inserting their religious bias into the scriptures. If you don’t believe me, go look it up for yourself;

         https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1jo/2/18/p0/t_conc_1161018

         There is no “THE” as in “THE Antichrist” in the original Greek. There have always been “antichrist” among us or those that oppose Christ but there will never be this one man person called “THE ANTICHRIST” that will be the final form as you call it. That is nothing but Christian fantasy.

         Why do you make comments that are not backed by scripture? When you do this, you disqualify EVERYTHING you say. You said, “Whenever Jesus spoke in parables, he cleared it up afterwards” but that is certainly NOT TRUE at all. Jesus spoke in parables to hide the meaning of his messages. He only explained them to the disciples and this is what He said;
         Mark 4:10-11 But when He was alone, those around Him with the twelve asked Him about the parable. And He said to them, “To you it has been given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God; but to those who are outside, all things come in parables,

         Jesus did not clear up all of His parables at least not the parables recorded in scripture. You said the book of Revelation is not a parable and I never said that it was but the book of Revelation is filled with metaphors and symbolic language. You say there is no clearing up needed but only a carnal minded person would say that which proves you have very little spiritual insight if any at all. If Revelation is not symbolic and is meant to be interpreted literally, explain to me why Jesus has a double-edged sword coming out of His mouth? Explain to me how people can inhabit the literal sea? Explain to me how Death and Hades can literally riding on horses? Frank, you don’t seem to know much of anything but you are a good at regurgitating religious dogma.

         Hebrews 12:29 says God is a consuming fire so I guess God is a literal ball of fire according to you. Where is your spiritual mind? Jesus said that everyone will be salted with fire so do you have an explanation as to what that means? The lake of fire is a SYMBOL, it is NOT a literal lake of fire. The second death is not a literal second death either. The Apostle Paul said he died daily so I guess he had an infinite amount of lives until he decided to die for good. You are saying things based solely on your emotional connection to the myths and fantasies you believe. There are many “antichrist” or people that oppose Christ of which you are included. Anyone that endorses hell is an opponent of Christ but what does that mean to you? Nothing, you will continue to walk in ignorance even when challenged to study to show yourself approved.

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   2. Great post!

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      1. Lol…

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7. Listen brother, I do not claim knowledge. It comes from above and I was asking God sincerely about this topic and I was led to these videos and also to you for that matter. You want to tell me, God does not work that way?
   The Sword that comes out of Jesus’ mouth is a sword that devides truth from lie. Rightous from wicked. Jesus’ tongue is literally a sword when it comes to spiritual things. It is actually the only sword that can precisely devide these things.
   That is why he is taken serious, when it comes to him saying, the antichrist and false prophet and evildoers will be tormented day and night. There is no room for interpretation. He would not leave millions of christian believing that someone somewhere will be tortured day and night forever and ever, when He does not mean it. This isn’t just some doctrine. It is written.
   To his people, his chosen ones, those who seek him, he always reveals the truth. And now I give you a crucial verse from that book.
   Rev. 22:18:“I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.“
   This verse definitely underlines, that these words spoken in this book are final. He gave this prophecy only to John, and if there was more to say, he would tell John, and John would’ve told us. There are a ton of false preachers, who do add more meaning and you think God will not stick to his word? That he will give from the tree of life although he said he will not?
   Do you really want to go that route in your believe?
   Please, for the love of your soul, repent, and also warn your followers, that you were mistaken.
   Btw. lake of fire would be a bad choice of words for a metaphorical fire, and Jesus never chose his words badly.
   Both the first and the second death are literal. The first death is the death of the body. The second death is the death of the soul. But souls are eternal so it is a concious eternal state of absolute pain. (Anti-life if you will, see Matthew 25,28-30)
   The death that Paul described was the death of the flesh, not the body (because the body is the temple). Flesh meaning the nature of the sinful man. The nature that we abandoned, when we let Jesus govern our lives. This nature of the flesh, wants to come back everyday and has to die everyday, so that the spirit of God can dwell in us continuously.
   This is the correct meaning of these scriptures.
   I heard of a lot of people who came to Christ out of fear of hell. They knew for sure, that they would definitely continue to sin, if there was no hell, because they were just so entangled with sin. But the FEAR OF GOD was put in them. Good thing, saved them.
   God bless, hope this clears it up for you and your followers.

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   1. Let me ask you a question… Did you already have some understanding of hell and eternal torment before you asked God for knowledge on this topic? I asking because people often make the mistake of asking God to approve their own confirmation bias. If you are unfamiliar with the term, confirmation bias is when we already have a conclusion and we seek out support to justify what we have already concluded. So many people who believe in hell will ask God for confirmation and once they get that supposed confirmation (either from YouTube videos or whatever other source outside of “scripture”), they believe the confirmation came from God. This is an easy trap that people fall victim to because we live in a world where information is readily available to us unlike how things were thousands of years ago. I would caution you my friend and I admonish you to truly search your mind and heart to think about how ridiculous and evil the doctrine of hell is. I welcome you to read my article on the false doctrine of hell where I dive into the Hebrew and Greek as well tackling some of Christianity’s proof texts that they use to justify their dogmas. I believe in all honesty that you are sincere in your quest for truth but do not allow yourself to so easily misled simply because of some YouTube videos you watched. Hell is a monstrous lie and it continues to deceive people all while distorting the God’s character.

      I know what the sword is that comes out of the mouth of Christ. That was not an inquiry. I was merely demonstrating to you that the book of Revelation is in fact filled with symbols and metaphors so to assume that the lake of fire is literal as opposed to symbolic goes against the style of the whole book. You yourself admitted in your comment that Jesus’s tongue is literally a sword when it comes to “spiritual things” but then you think the book of Revelation is supposed to be interpreted literally? That’s a contradiction. When it comes to some of the scriptures in the book of Revelation, it’s not so much about interpretation than it is word usage and I tried to explain this to you. You have to study how words are used in scripture. In the scripture you paraphrased, the word translated as “torment” in the Greek is not torment how we understand the word today. The original scriptures that were penned by holy men under the inspiration of God was written in Hebrew, some Aramaic, and Greek which were the modern languages at the times these books and letters were written. Many of the Bible translations that we have today were translated under the inspiration of the religious authority of the Catholic Church. That fact alone doesn’t disqualify “Bibles” in general but a diligent truth seeker should be willing to investigate the Hebrew and the Greek to show themselves approved. So what you see on the surface in the Bibles we have today might not be exactly what God said and if we claim to be believers in God, then we must be willing to test our own knowledge even if it challenges the Church or our worldviews. In my experience, most people are just too lazy to do this and they end up making an idol out of the very Bibles they believe are the infallible words of God. Bibles are fine but we have to understand that they are translations and not every Bible translation that exists is not as honest to the original Hebrew and Greek as others. The scriptures you’ve quoted in the book of Revelation are good examples of what I’m referring to so I will show you what I’m talking about. In Revelation 14:11, the word torment is translated from the Greek word “basanizō” and the literal definition is
      a testing by the touchstone, which is a black siliceous stone used to test the purity of gold or silver by the colour of the streak produced on it by rubbing it with either metal. I’ve already explained this to you but I’ll go a little further to add that this same word is found in other scriptures so we can learn more about a words true meaning by learning about how God used the same word in other scriptures. This “torment” that you speak about is described in other scriptures as the torment from diseases, being tossed by the waves at sea, the toiling from rowing a boat, and the pain from childbirth. These are all experiences that we can relate to even in our lives today but God never used this word to describe being tormented in literal fire. That is demonic and I think your attitude and perspective speaks more about the condition of your heart than you might realize. I say that with no disrespect but your stubborn stance in clinging to these evil ideas is in direct opposition to the complete work of Christ for all of God’s creation. The false prophet, those who oppose Christ, and evildoers will have their works tested in the fire but the purpose of God’s fire is to refine and not to torture. So this is not about interpretation, this is about correcting the corrupt translations we have and letting the word of God speak for itself without the falsehoods forced upon us by the Church. It is a mistake to assume what God’s intentions are just because it might satisfy your own individual lust for vengeance. Revelation 12:9 tells us that the devil deceives the whole world so let that sink in for a moment before you make suggestions about what God would or wouldn’t do. The whole world cannot be deceived unless there is ample room for such a level of deception to occur and nobody can choose to come out of the devil’s deception. God must call them out of the devil’s deception.

      I agree that God reveals the truth to His people, His chosen ones who seek Him but that begs the question as to who are God’s chosen… I wouldn’t be so arrogant to make such a boast when neither of us have finished the race so let’s leave the ego stroking for another day. Your use of Revelation 22:18 is ironic seeing that you agree with the translators that added to the prophecy of God’s scroll but you see no need to correct yourself. Promoting a lie even in ignorance is still promoting a lie but even so, I see no eternal sentence in that scripture in the way that you do because I compare scripture with scripture. There will be many that will be denied entrance into the kingdom but God has never made that an eternal outcome for in the verse right before Revelation 22:18, God says this;

      And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.

      You see, you only quote the scriptures that seem scary. You seem to only have a gloom and doom perspective when it comes to the things of God buy you clearly do not know God. You know religion and that makes sense because religion has always been about fear and control. You are locked in that same spirit of fear and control and you don’t even see it because the devil’s deception is strong. Just so you know this, the word “ANY” which you placed in bold formatting is NOT in the original Greek scriptures. So this word was ADDED to the words of that prophecy and you are cosigning it. Think about that for a moment. Anyone can open Bible and recite scriptures but have you done any real study? By your own words you condemn yourself but you do that out of ignorance. You don’t seem to have any spiritual insight at all and that is unfortunate because you seem to want some version of truth but only if it aligns with your preferred biblical ideas. Your preferred biblical ideas aren’t in line with the whole of God’s truth and that is where you err. Even in Matthew 21:31, Jesus said that tax collectors and prostitutes would enter the kingdom of God before the chief priests and elders so that doesn’t bode well with your doom and gloom version of God’s gospel. There are things you just don’t understand and you will never understand until you humble yourself enough to recognize that you could be wrong. You could be deceived and I’ve caught you in numerous contradictions that you don’t seem to care about at all. You contradicting yourself should be an obvious clue that you might be misinformed. Do you know what a tax collector was back in the days of Christ? They were also called publican but they were seen as traitors by the Jews. Essentially they were Jews who collected taxes from Jewish people on behalf of the Roman Emperor. In Dr. Strong’s Concordance of the Bible, he expands on the explanation of a tax collector as follows;

      The tax collectors were as a class, detested not only by the Jews, but by other nations also, both on account of their employment and of the harshness, greed, and deception, with which they did their job.

      So in consideration of your views, can you explain to me how a person such as a tax collector could ever make into God’s kingdom? What about prostitutes?

      Revelation 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

      Would you consider a prostitute to be sexually immoral? I think you would and according to Revelation 21:8, prostitutes go to the lake of fire which is the second death so explain to me Frank, how a prostitute can enter the kingdom of God according to the words of Christ in Matthew 21:31? This is exactly what I’m talking about about. You have a one-way Frank’s way mentality when you clearly aren’t as clear about your beliefs as you think you are. You don’t really know what you’re talking about your just throwing scriptures at me with no real understanding of hardly anything. Your beliefs are fear based while my beliefs are love based. Your message robs people of hope where mine gives people hope. Sure there are a ton a false preachers who add more meaning to God’s word but these false preachers are who you believe. That’s what’s so crazy about your words because you don’t even see how you indict yourself. You accuse me of things out of your own ignorance because you don’t even know what you’re implying but your ignorance won’t save you from judgment. In all seriousness, you need not tell another person for the rest of your life to repent when you yourself have not cleaned out your own house. I never tell people to repent because the Lord has already made that command but repentance is a process. Anyone that believes they have conquered sin in this life is a liar. You are in no position to cast judgment. And just for the record, I don’t have followers, not in the sense that you mean but I will continue to proclaim the glorious gospel of Christ that brings salvation to all humanity. The salvation of all is God’s desire and God proclaims that He will accomplish His every desire. What do you do with that? How can you argue against that? You can’t and the only thing you can do is lie or twist the scriptures to fit your narrative.

      The lake of fire or actually pool or pond of fire is exactly what God intended to say so that there could be a clear distinction between those who are spiritually minded and those who are carnally minded. You are carnally minded clearly because you don’t have any spiritual understanding at all. The reason why you don’t understand is because you just read words off of a page and you think that gives you knowledge but that’s not how knowledge is acquired. Knowledge is acquired by embracing truth and as you learn new truths, your knowledge expands. Your knowledge can’t expand because have too much garbage in the way. You prove my point in your next statement about the first and second death. You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. The first and second death are literal in what sense? You mean as in the cessation of life? Your logic is extremely incoherent. The first death is not the death of the body, the first death is the first death. Death is the opposite of life not a change in location. The second death is not the death of the soul because the soul is not a part of a person. People are souls. Notice in Genesis when God created man, He formed man from the dust of the earth and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul. So the body plus life equals a living soul. We don’t have a soul, we are souls and the soul that sins, it shall DIE (Ezekiel 18:20)! Souls are not eternal and there is no scripture that says such. That’s why you didn’t include one and you want to talk to me about adding to the word of God? You are one confused person because you went from scripture even with bad understanding to just throwing out a bunch of religious nonsense that has no scriptural support. I’m sure why you quoted Matthew 25:28-30 but I’m sure it was more of your fear mongering nonsense. I know what Paul was referring to when he said he died daily. Geez Frank chill… Do you always answer rhetorical questions? You totally missed my points where I tried to show you how you contradict yourself because none of your interpretations are the correct meaning of the scriptures you quoted.

      If a person has to love God out of a fear for hell, do they really love God or are they just being obedient because of their fear?

      1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love.

      It is the goodness of God that leads to repentance not the fear of hell. No one comes to Christ out of a fear of hell, people go to Christianity’s version of Christ which is not Christ at all. Christianity doesn’t own Christ nor does it have a patent on truth. Hell has never led anyone to true repentance because they will always be a slave to fear and fear is not a fruit of the spirit. Fearing God has to do with honoring and respecting God not cowering in fear like God is the boogie man. Remember that the fearful also go to the lake of fire second death so just keep that in mind before you send me another comment filled with contradictions and inconsistencies. The only thing you’ve cleared up for me is that you are on another spectrum of deception that I’ve never encountered before. You have a lot of work to do because you are going to wake up on the wrong side of judgment where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

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      1. I heard and read about it way earlier and also understood the concept but after I had my own demonic + holy vision/dream I asked God to clear and seal it up for me. That is the way to go. Because he will clear it up. He does not disappoint.

         I will just quote some of your statements, to show you, that you are indeed mistaken:

         you say “truly search your mind and heart” but the word says
         (Jeremia 17:9) The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

         “allow yourself to so easily misled simply because of some YouTube videos you watched“
         (Jakob 1,5)  If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

         “but then you think the book of Revelation is supposed to be interpreted literally?“
         Stick with spiritually. The lake of fire is a place of eternal spiritual death. Forever. Jesus doesn’t say that you can get out of it. You added that.

         “This “torment” that you speak about is described in other scriptures as the torment from diseases, being tossed by the waves at sea, the toiling from rowing a boat, and the pain from childbirth.“
         Yeah, now imagine this forever. The realisation that it will be forever with no way back, is the worst part about it anyway. Be it literal fire or not.

         “purpose of God’s fire is to refine and not to torture“
         Yup, that is correct. That is also why people in hell will bow down to Jesus. Because they will have to acknoledge who is in charge and also will they not be able to exalt themselves above him anymore. The fire refines them forever. But they will not get out of there, because ones they would get out, and this is my understanding, they would imediately turn away from God again, because in their whole lifetime they rejected him and they will reject him again, if they get another chance. Therefore they have to stay there eternally, to glorify his name.
         (Revelation 14,11) ⁹ “A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, ¹⁰ they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. ¹¹ And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”

         “unless there is ample room for such a level of deception to occur and nobody can choose to come out of the devil’s deception“
         This ample room is distancing oneself away from God.
         (Jakob 4,8) “Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you.”
         (Mathew 7,8) ⁸“ “For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.”
         There three things have to be done. In prayer.

         “that doesn’t bode well with your doom and gloom version“
         It actually does, everyone who accept Jesus as Lord and Savior will enter. The worst sinners are often the first to accept it.

         “you will never understand until you humble yourself enough to recognize that you could be wrong.“
         I already did that, that is why I point to the importance of prayer. You seem to not really like that hint, since you talk more about finding out instead of letting it be revealed. But that is not how it works. There are many Islamic scholars, who are freaking smart, but they still don’t have the truth.

         “So in consideration of your views, can you explain to me how a person such as a tax collector could ever make into God’s kingdom? What about prostitutes?“
         Seeing you asking this question, I see, that you haven’t understood where I come from. The answer is two quotes above.

         “I never tell people to repent“
         Then you are cursed, because this is what Jesus did, and he is the way.

         “You are in no position to cast judgment“
         I didn’t, I told you to repent, it is not the same. Did Jesus judge the sinner, when he told them to repent? No, he did not.

         “The salvation of all is God’s desire and God proclaims that He will accomplish His every desire.“
         Please give me the exact scripture.

         “The only thing you’ve cleared up for me is that you are on another spectrum of deception that I’ve never encountered before“
         This is exactly what the Pharasees would say to Jesus, since they said similar things.

         “You have a lot of work to do because you are going to wake up on the wrong side of judgment where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.“
         You could’ve saved me all that reading, and just admit, that you believe in that place.

         Really you are writing a lot, but I don’t see you having a relationship with God. Because you did not once mention the importance of prayer. God reveals.
         (John 3,27) “John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.”
         (Mathew 7,8) ⁸“ “For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.”

         This is the Jesus and the teaching that I follow. Your mind will not and can not lead you to the truth. Certain walls of understanding can only be overcome through sincere and direct prayer.

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      2. How do you know that your demonic/holy vision dream was not just a dream induced by your own fanciful thoughts? You make assumptions and then you believe that God has to approve of your assumptions but God is no respecter of persons. You have confirmed your confirmation bias about hell so that clears that up. It doesn’t matter how many lies you believe, how many YouTube videos you watch, or how many dreams you have, you cannot force God into the parameters of your false thinking. Hell is a lie. Period! I’m not discussing hell with you any longer so if you choose to continue believing it’s true, that’s on you but you are not going to change my beliefs when I know it’s a lie.

         Are you suggesting that because of Jeremiah 17:9, we shouldn’t search our mind and hearts? Matthew 22:37 says we are to love the Lord God with ALL of our heart and mind so how do you mesh that with what you are implying? The scripture you quoted actually states that the heart is deceitful and WEAK not desperately wicked so it makes sense that a person should search their heart because it is deceitful and weak. Me asking you to search your mind and heart is in no way a contradiction to Jeremiah 17:9. You are making this discussion a battle of biblical wits when that particular comment had nothing to do with theology. I didn’t quote scripture when I told you to search your mind and heart that was my own advice to you. You gave me advice in your previous comment and I didn’t run to the bible to try and use scripture to invalidate your advice. I only use scripture to invalidate your false theology. Cherry picking scriptures that seemingly agree with your point does not make you right so stop doing this because your strategy is flawed.

         So you think James 1:5 authorized you to supplant YouTube videos over your duty to study the word of God to show yourself approved? It’s interesting that you just quoted verse 5 without completing the whole thought because there are conditions that must be met before God gives to those who ask… Here is James 1:5-8;

         If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him. BUT let him ask in FAITH, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a WAVE OF THE SEA DRIVEN AND TOSSED BY THE WIND (that’s you because you’ll believe anything that tickles your ears). For LET NOT THAT MAN SUPPOSE THAT HE WILL RECEIVE ANYTHING FROM THE LORD; HE IS A DOUBLE-MINDED MAN, UNSTABLE IN ALL HIS WAYS.

         This is what you do. You suppose that you will receive from God all while endorsing loads of unscriptural nonsense instead of aligning your faith with truth. Your faith is aligned with the dogmas and traditions of Christianity and that is why you continuously contradict yourself over and over again.

         The lake of fire is NOT a place of eternal spiritual death. That is your interpretation, nothing more nothing less. I already explained to you in my previous comment that PROSTITUTES enter the kingdom before self-righteous religions hypocrites and the sexually immoral go to the lake of fire second death. If prostitutes will someday enter the kingdom of God in the future, that alone suggests that the lake of fire is not what you think it is and it is your interpretation that is incorrect. In Revelation 21:8, those who go to the lake of fire will have their part or PORTION so it is definitely not forever as you suggest. I didn’t add anything, I just know how to properly divide the word of truth whereas you multiply it to align with your depraved ideology.

         I don’t have to imagine that any of God’s judgment will last forever because they don’t. Your beliefs have no power over me and you can think whatever you want to think. The torment or TESTING does NOT last forever and ever. The phrase “forever and ever” is not scripture even though this phrase can be found in many popular English bibles but bibles are not the word of God. Bibles are TRANSLATIONS of the word of God so if you believe in the translation more than you do the actually words of God, who do you actually believe? You know more believe in God than an atheist and you prove that with every foolish comment that you make. The phrase itself is actually pretty stupid because forever would be sufficient enough to describe no end so it makes no sense to add another ever. Forever and ever was translated from the Greek phrase “eis tous aionas ton aionon” and it literally means, for the ages of ages. As I stated in my previous comment, the best way to learn a words meaning is to study its usage so we have to look at all the instances that this phrase (forever and ever) is found in scripture. Here is an example;

         Revelation 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and HE SHALL REIGN FOREVER AND EVER!”

         Does Christ reign forever and ever?

         1 Corinthians 15:24-25 then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to our God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign UNTIL He has put all His enemies under His feet.

         Do you know what “until” means? Christ doesn’t reign forever and ever, He reigns UNTIL He has put all enemies under His feet. Jesus no longer reigns once He hands over the kingdom to the Father because in verse 28, we are told that even Christ Himself will be in subjection to the Father. Christ reigns for the ages of ages, which essentially means that He reigns until He gets the job done no matter how long it takes. God doesn’t torment or try anyone by the fire for all eternity. That is evil hogwash.

         Do you know what refine even means? Frank, I am really trying hard not to insult you but you are just being stupid at this point. You are expecting me to engage in and entertain your stupidity and I simply will not. I will finish this comment but after that, we are done. I cannot continue to entertain your foolishness. It is an oxymoron to suggest that the fire of God’s judgment refines forever because that defeats the entire purpose of what it means to refine. Here are a few definitions of refine;

         – to improve or perfect by pruning or polishing
         – to bring to a fine or a pure state
         – to make or become free from impurities

         When you refine something, you make it better. When gold is refined, the gold comes out more pure and shinier. This is common sense elementary logic and you are inventing ideas to support your ridiculous theology. Some of your comments are so stupid that they don’t even deserve a response. I am literally dumbstruck by some of the things you said. You have no clue what you are talking about dude. Not a single CLUE! People have to stay in hell for all eternity to glorify God’s name? That might the most blasphemous thing I’ve ever heard.

         You aren’t humble at all. You are an arrogant man that thinks he knows it all but can’t back up a thing with logic or scripture that is divided properly. You think you can use prayer to manipulate God but you are mistaken. You are of the holier-than-thou types that boasts about praying all the time and doing this or that but you have already earned your reward, which is stroking your own ego. Prayer doesn’t give you permission to be lazy and stupid. Waiting for things to be revealed is just your excuse to not have to study or think on your own. You don’t have the truth and that is what you fail to realize because you’re too busy judging others.
         I don’t understand where you are coming from because nothing you say makes any sense at all. You are just waves of the sea foaming at the mouth talking complete and utter nonsense. You have not responded to hardly any of the blatant contradictions I called you out on so this discussion is over. You are dishonest and not qualified to deal with these issues.

         You think I’m cursed just because I don’t run around telling people to repent? Typical of a self-righteous hypocrite. Jesus was sinless and had every right to call sinners to repentance; you on the other hand with huge beams sticking out of both your eyes has no right trying to tell others to repent. You are a hypocrite of the worst breed.

         Like I stated before, you are in no position to cast judgment when you don’t have your own life in order. Of course Jesus was judging the sinner when He told them to repent. What do you think judgment is? The difference here is, YOU’RE NOT JESUS! You’re more closer to the devil than you are Jesus and I willingly accept that judgment of you because you’ve earned it.

         “The salvation of all is God’s desire and God proclaims that He will accomplish His every desire.“

         Please give me the exact scripture.

         Glady!

         1 Timothy 2:3-4 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, WHO DESIRES ALL PEOPLE TO BE SAVED and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

         Isaiah 46:10 At the beginning I declare the outcome; from of old, things not yet done. I say that my plan shall stand, I ACCOMPLISH MY EVERY DESIRE.

         Isaiah 55:11 So will My word be which goes out of My mouth; it will not return to Me empty, WITHOUT ACCOMPLISHING WHAT I DESIRE, and without succeeding in the purpose for which I sent it.

         Case closed. You will not accept the literal words in these scriptures because they are in conflict with your horrible beliefs. The only thing you can do is lie or either manipulate these scriptures so that they align with your beliefs.

         “The only thing you’ve cleared up for me is that you are on another spectrum of deception that I’ve never encountered before“

         This is exactly what the Pharasees would say to Jesus, since they said similar things.

         Again, you are not Jesus. Deflecting with some hyper-religious comment doesn’t change the fact that you are deceived.

         “You have a lot of work to do because you are going to wake up on the wrong side of judgment where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.“

         “You could’ve saved me all that reading, and just admit, that you believe in that place”.

         Lol, that’s your assumption but you clearly missed the connection which I fully expected you to. I don’t believe in that place like you do because I have enough sense to know that it is evil and stupid but let me share this with you since you think that place is real;

         Matthew 8:11-12 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE KINGDOM SHALL BE CAST OUT INTO OUTER DARKNESS: THERE SHALL BE WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH.

         It isn’t the stranger of God that will weep and gnash their teeth, it is THE CHILDREN OF THE KINGDOM and you are of the same spirit as the religious hypocrites casting judgment on your fellow sinners when you yourself have sin and even worse is dooming most of humanity to some pagan hell. When you rise from the dead in the resurrection to judgment seeing that you have missed out from reigning with Christ in the age to come, you will weep and gnash your teeth in utter disgust.

         “Really you are writing a lot, but I don’t see you having a relationship with God. Because you did not once mention the importance of prayer”

         You talk about prayer a lot yet you don’t have an ounce of understanding so what does that say about your prayers? Boasting about your prayers is hypocritical. My relationship with God is private, it doesn’t include you and I do not need your guidance or approval. You are extremely deceived yet you keep boasting about your prayers? God doesn’t answer the prayers of people who do not even believe what He says. In some cases you don’t even know what He says but you don’t care because you worship your bible translation.

         “This is the Jesus and the teaching that I follow. Your mind will not and can not lead you to the truth. Certain walls of understanding can only be overcome through sincere and direct prayer”.

         You are not following Jesus; you are following the invention of Jesus you have created in your own mind. You seriously have no idea how wrong you are and it is extremely disturbing but you are far beyond reason at this point. Your supposed “sincere and direct prayer” has done nothing to bring down your walls of misunderstanding so that tells me your prayers are worthless. I’m sure you tell yourself whatever you need to tell yourself to make you feel like you are right but you are only tricking yourself.

         Frank, this was interesting but I’m afraid this has to end. Please do not respond or send any future comments because they will not be approved. I have already wasted a significant amount of my time responding to you when you clearly do not want the truth. I cannot waste any more of my time kicking a dead horse. Best wishes to you and I’ll apologize in advance for some of my harsh words but I was merely responding to your commentary. I have no ill will towards you as a person so be well and take care!

         Sulaiman

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      3. I don’t care what you advise and I don’t need your warnings. I’m not afraid of you or your message of fear. Your fear mongering will not work on me because I have been delivered from the fear motivated religion you associate yourself with. I asked you not to leave any more comments because I will not approve them and I am standing by what I said. You are dishonest in your scholarship and I cannot dialogue with someone that is as dishonest as you when it comes to studying and discussing scripture. You dismiss the word of God to cling to your theology which is certainly your right to do but I have no duty to obey you or endorse your line of thinking. It’s comical how you think you can use a different translation to dismiss the clear teaching of scripture just to suit your beliefs. I didn’t write scripture but there is a difference in rightly dividing the word of truth and manipulating it to fit your evil narrative. I’ll expand on my previous comment so others can see how to properly exegete scripture instead of twisting the scriptures like you do.

         1 Timothy 2:3-4 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, WHO DESIRES ALL PEOPLE TO BE SAVED and to come to the knowledge of the truth. NKJV

         The Greek word translated as “desire” in 1 Timothy 2:4 is thelō which is found in the New Testament 210 times. This word can mean all of these things according to how it is used in SCRIPTURE: to will, have in mind, intend, to be resolved or determined, to purpose, to desire, to wish, to love, to like to do a thing, be fond of doing, to take delight in, and to have pleasure in.

         Here is Isaiah 46:10 from the ENGLISH translation of the Septuagint that you quoted (with your commentary) since the actual Septuagint is the Greek translation of the Hebrew scriptures;

         Isaiah 46:10 says here “Foretelling beforehand the things that were to come before they were done, and when they were accomplished. And I said, All my council is set up, and all that I shall do, I will do.” (differs from your scripture)

         I looked up this verse in the Septuagint which is;

         ἀναγγέλλων πρότερον τὰ ἔσχατα πρὶν αὐτὰ γενέσθαι, καὶ ἅμα συνετελέσθη. καὶ εἶπα· πᾶσα ἡ βουλή μου στήσεται, καὶ πάντα, ὅσα βεβούλευμαι, ποιήσω

         Here is the literal translation of Isaiah 46:10 from the Septuagint;

         Foretelling the last things before they come to pass, and if they come to pass. and I said: all my counsel is established, and all that I will, I will do;

         Here is Isaiah 46:10 from the New American Bible (Revised Edition) that I quoted;

         Isaiah 46:10 At the beginning I declare the outcome; from of old, things not yet done. I say that my plan shall stand, I ACCOMPLISH MY EVERY DESIRE.

         The Hebrew word translated as “will” in the Septuagint and “desire” in the New American Bible (Revised Edition) is ḥēp̄eṣ which is found in the Old Testament 39 times. This word can mean all of these things according to how this word is used in SCRIPTURE: delight, pleasure, DESIRE, longing, the good pleasure, that in which one takes delight, and willingly.

         So according to the actually meaning of the Hebrew word ḥēp̄eṣ, desire is an appropriate translation but even if we use the word “will”, what does that change? You think God’s desire is in conflict with what He wills to do or accomplish? It doesn’t matter if God desires for all to be saved or if He wills for all to be saved, Isaiah 46:10 in the Septuagint says all that God will do, He will do it. So if He wills for all to be saved, HE WILL DO IT! If He desires for all to be saved, He will accomplish His every desire. The fact that you disagree with what God wills and you don’t share in what He desires does not mean that God can’t or won’t bring about His will or desire.

         Let’s try this with Isaiah 55:11;

         Here is Isaiah 55:11 from the ENGLISH translation of the Septuagint that you quoted (with your commentary);

         Isaiah 55:11 says here “So is my word, that if it go out of my mouth, it shall not be turned away, till I have done all that I have purposed, and have prospered in my ways and in my commandments.” (also no mention of desire)

         Here is Isaiah 55:11 from the actual Greek Septuagint and it’s literal translation into English;

         οὕτως ἔσται τὸ ρῆμά μου, ὃ ἐὰν ἐξέλθῃ ἐκ τοῦ στόματός μου, οὐ μὴ ἀποστραφῇ, ἕως ἂν τελεσθῇ ὅσα ἂν ἠθέλησα καὶ εὐοδώσω τὰς ὁδούς μου καὶ τὰ ἐντάλματά μου.

         Thus is my word, which, if it goes forth from my mouth, will not be turned back, until all that I willed is accomplished and I make my ways and my commandments successful.

         Here is Isaiah 55:11 from the New American Standard Bible that I quoted;

         Isaiah 55:11 So will My word be which goes out of My mouth; it will not return to Me empty, WITHOUT ACCOMPLISHING WHAT I DESIRE, and without succeeding in the purpose for which I sent it.

         The Hebrew word translated as “purposed and/or willed” in the Septuagint and “desire” in the New American Standard Bible is ḥāp̄ēṣ and this word is found 75 times in the Old Testament. This word can mean all of these things according to how this word is used in SCRIPTURE: to delight in, take pleasure in, DESIRE, be pleased with, to take pleasure in, delight in, be pleased to do of God, and to will.

         So here again, the word desire is an appropriate translation of the Hebrew word ḥāp̄ēṣ but just like I stated before, none of these characteristics of God change anything. It doesn’t matter if it’s His desire, His delight, His will, His purpose, His wishes, His dreams, His whatever word you want to use…. None of these characteristics contradict each other. You have failed to properly read the actual scripture. I will quote Isaiah 55:11 using the words of the Septuagint that you provided and still show you how you have failed in your understanding;

         Isaiah 55:11 says here “So is my word, that if it go out of my mouth, it shall not be turned away, till I have done all that I have purposed, and have prospered in my ways and in my commandments.”

         Let’s examine this scripture for a minute… God says, “So is my WORD, that if it go out of my mouth, it shall not be turned away…. but isn’t 1 Timothy 2:3-4 God’s word? This is God’s word and it came out of His mouth;

         1 Timothy 2:3-4 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, WHO DESIRES ALL PEOPLE TO BE SAVED and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

         I already demonstrated that the word desire is appropriate in this context so we can clearly read here what God has spoken and He declares that what He speaks “shall not be turned away”. So God’s desire for all to be saved and to come to the knowledge of truth will not be turned away regardless of the people who trample the word of God. God’s word that comes out of His mouth will not be turned away until He has done ALL that He has willed, purposed, desired, wished, etc… and have prospered in His ways and in His commandments. You can try to argue that the word desire isn’t in the scripture but you fail to realize that you have to do this in order to keep believing what you believe. You cannot continue to believe what you believe and also accept the truth of God’s word but that clearly tells me and everyone that you are not a follower of God. The primary point of Isaiah 55:11 is not whether the word desire is appropriate or not, the point is that God’s word will not return to Him void without accomplishing what He has spoken. If you are blasphemous enough to suggest that God cannot accomplish what He desires, then I think the conclusion is clear as to what you stand for.

         I know what the children of the kingdom represents but they aren’t doomed as you suggest. The Apostle Paul said in Romans 11:26 that ALL of Israel will be saved so that’s just further proof that you don’t know what you’re talking about.

         I never said prayer wasn’t essential and I never said it didn’t work but it’s not meant to be abused in the way that you use prayer. You think you can pray to God and get what you want but you haven’t even followed the basics of truth. You believe a load of religious nonsense but you think God approves of and authorizes such nonsense just because you prayed? People like you use prayer to keep God in a bubble that you can control but God doesn’t live inside your bubble and He cannot be manipulated. You remind me of that lunatic Bill Wiese who claims he had a dream about hell then he proceeds to write a book full of unscriptural nonsense. I’m sure he believes that God authorized that garbage but he is deceived just as much as you are. I’m not upset because I have no reason to be upset. You only think I am because I’m criticizing you and I’m challenging your ungodly beliefs. What do you think I’m doing? Screaming as a type? I take my ministry seriously and I devote countless hours to talk to complete strangers for free but I do not have the time to keep wasting it on someone that doesn’t deserve it. I don’t care about what you pray about. You can’t manipulate me with your silly prayers and I don’t have to agree with you. You think just because you say “VERY VERY” that’s supposed to change anything? You are deceived Frank and there is nothing I can do about that. You don’t believe God will save all because you don’t want God to save all.

         The story of the rich man and Lazarus is a PARABLE and I have already written about this so I don’t care what you have to say about this. Just because you don’t understand something doesn’t mean I’m wrong. You don’t understand how God accomplishes His desire to save all and you understand very little about Christian Universalism. Everything you said about Christian Universalism is wrong and I do not endorse any of what you said. Many are called, but few are chosen. That is probably the most misunderstood scripture in the entire bible. I preach nothing about a purgatory so there’s yet another lie that’s on you and all liars go to the lake of fire second death.

         You put NO FEAR in me. Not a smidgeon. The only thing you’ve done is made me pity you for being so deceived. There are many things that I need to change in my life, but belief in hell isn’t one of them. I used to believe in hell but that was when I was ignorant letting the church think for me until I decided to actually research these topics and I discovered for myself that hell is a lie. Hell has only ever been used by the church to control the masses of people with fear. Any relationship based on carnal fear is not a healthy relationship and this is certainly not what the Creator wants for His creation of whom He is creating in His very image. I know you think that hell is real and it’s something I shouldn’t dismiss but I completely dismiss your pagan hell and I’m completely dismissing you.

         You are banned. There will be no future dialogue between us. Have a nice day

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      4. Since other people are reading this, and this is an open discussion, I will answer nonetheless. Nothing in the bible suggests that the story of Lazarus and the rich man is a parabel. Absolutely nothing. This is your make believe, brother. I say it really happened exactly like this.
         I will stick to it. Gods desire is to save all, but his will is to judge rightfully, once the time of grace is finished and the wheat will be separated from the chaff, or the sheep from the goats, as Jesus and John said.
         I don’t understand why you would not be happy about a man praying. Since the scripture says, that THAT is the access to wisdom.
         There are evil spirits out there and a mighty adversary, the Devil. Equip yourself to brace your patience. Don’t fight those, who are merely trying to help. You do not have the peace, that is necessary to do this ministry, yet. Doesn’t mean that you will not have it in future.
         God bless.

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      5. I know it’s been some time but I decided to approve your message after seeing it still sitting in my inbox queue. I don’t remember everything that we were talking about but I do have a general idea. I will respond to your comments.

         “Nothing in the bible suggests that the story of Lazarus and the rich man is a parabel. Absolutely nothing”.

         This statement is not just wrong, it is bordering on ignorant. If you read in Luke 16 in the chapters before, you will clearly see that Jesus had been in parables to the masses prior to the parable of the rich man and Lazarus. Not to mention that Jesus uses the same introductory language in this parable as He did in other parables. The bible is filled with figurative and symbolic language yet you seem to believe that this one passage has to be literal. You need it to be literal because that interpretation fits your narrative. It doesn’t matter what arguments or scripture I present to you because you will always exalt your thoughts over everything.

         Matthew 13:34 All these things Jesus spoke to the multitude in parables; and WITHOUT A PARABLE HE DID NOT SPEAK TO THEM,

         Jesus did not speak to the masses of people or the multitudes unless He was speaking to them in parables. This is what scripture affirms but you deny this simply to protect your ego. This isn’t my make believe thinking as you suggested. I base my beliefs off of scriptural evidence not religious tradition. The story of the rich man and Lazarus is a PARABLE with a very specific teaching.

         You seem very religious and judgmental towards anyone that doesn’t agree with you. You can’t even discern whether a passage of scripture is a parable or not and what’s worse is that you think this parable is a literal story. Your ignorance is dangerous yet you take no responsibility or accountability for your actions in this regard. You are reckless with the scriptures.

         “Gods desire is to save all, but his will is to judge rightfully, once the time of grace is finished and the wheat will be separated from the chaff, or the sheep from the goats.”

         Do you know what it means to judge rightfully? You just say things without even understanding what you are saying. God’s desire is to save all but apparently according to you God is unable and incapable of bringing about His own desires. What kind of an all-knowing and all-powerful God is so inept that they cannot even bring about their own wishes… This is the thinking of a child.

         Isaiah 55:11 So will My word be which goes out of My mouth; It will not return to Me empty, Without accomplishing what I desire, And without succeeding in the purpose for which I sent it.

         Do you understand the implications of this verse? Anything word that comes out of God’s mouth will not return to Him empty or without accomplishing what He DESIRES! Whatever God desires, it must come to pass if He has spoken it and 1 Timothy 2:3-4 is the WORD OF GOD…
         For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, WHO DESIRES ALL MANKIND TO BE SAVED and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

         You seriously don’t even know what you are talking about. Chaff is a part of wheat. This is not a description of two groups of people, this is a description of God winnowing His wheat by getting rid of the chaff of the believer. Every believer has undesirable qualities that needs to be purged and that is what is separated. The separation of sheep and goats is another misunderstood parable because no farmer in the history of farming burned his goats or destroyed them. Goats are useful but are also known to be more difficult to teach and train so they require more instruction. When God divides the nations, there will be goat nations that will require more correction and instruction. They are not annihilated or tortured in fire for all eternity. That is a bunch of evil nonsense but you can believe whatever garbage you choose to believe.

         “I don’t understand why you would not be happy about a man praying. Since the scripture says, that THAT is the access to wisdom”.
         People abuse and misuse prayer so much that it’s not even something I take seriously from most people. I’ve had people say that they will pray for me because I don’t believe in hell. Seriously? I know hell is a LIE so why would I be happy about something praying for me to believe in something I know is a lie? It’s foolishness and you cannot use prayer to manipulate me. You have fooled yourself into thinking that just because you pray, you have access to wisdom but at the same time you deny the truth of scriptures you disagree with. That’s not how it works. You are a religious person but far from spiritual.

         “There are evil spirits out there and a mighty adversary, the Devil. Equip yourself to brace your patience. Don’t fight those, who are merely trying to help. You do not have the peace, that is necessary to do this ministry, yet. Doesn’t mean that you will not have it in future”.

         So now you are trying to play God? Are you so sure that the enemy has gotten ahold of you? How are you trying to help? I’m not fighting anyone, I simply stand for truth. Period! The nerve of you to tell me that I don’t have the peace to do this ministry when I have been doing it singlehandedly for years is a testament to your judgmental foolishness. Where’s your ministry? Or is it your ministry to find and troll the ministry of others?

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8. Hi,I would like to learn more about Lazarus and the rich man.

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   1. Hello! Well that story is simply a parable among several previous parables that Christ was speaking to the masses about. This particular parable has to do with two nations, the Jews and the Gentiles. The rich man is a symbol for the Jewish nation otherwise known as Judah and Lazarus is a symbol for the Gentile nations. The point of the parable was for Christ to acknowledge to the Jewish religious leaders that in the future, their standing with God would be taken away and given to the Gentiles. That is all this parable is about. It has nothing to do with hell. I can’t really dive into all of it’s meaning but I’ve already written a more detailed article about this very subject in my false doctrine of hell series. Here is the link – https://therealgospelofchrist.com/the-parable-of-the-rich-man-and-lazarus-explained/

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      1. I am sorry, that my messages upset you. But hell is real. Sorry man. You’ll have to get used to it. What you are saying is not the revelation of God. It’s coming from your own mind. Otherwise it would coincide with what the children of God are saying and have been convinced of by the holy spirit. Your cherry picking of Bible verses proves it furthermore. Jesus spoke about eternal flames and that’s what it is.

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      2. Lol. Your messages haven’t upset me but it is quite annoying that you continue to repeat the same lies no matter what evidence is presented to you. Not only is hell a lie, it is the most blasphemous evil that has ever been imagined. The fact that you embrace it proves that you are deceived beyond belief. There’s no need for you to apologize and I don’t have to get used to anything. What you choose to believe has no power over me. I don’t care about you believe. We don’t have to agree but as long as this blog is up, I will continue to dispel the lie of hell to anyone willing to unlearn the dogmas of the Christian Church. Just because you don’t agree with my ideas doesn’t mean that what I’m saying isn’t a revelation of God. Most of what you speak on comes from a place of ignorance but that is not my burden. The sad part is that you don’t even care if something is a revelation of God or not because you care far more about your own beliefs than you do a revelation of God. Hell was NEVER a doctrine of God but you refuse to listen to me or investigate it. You think just because the word hell appears is some popular English bible translations that hell had to come from God but you are a fool if you think bibles haven’t been corrupted by evil religious men intent of promoting dogmas that benefit the Church. I quoted dozens of scriptures but to you that is cherry picking never mind the fact that you and your ilk do the same thing. Literal all Christian fundamentalists have their memorized hell verses that they spew to fear monger. Scripture should always agree and if scripture doesn’t agree, then the issue is with your beliefs not scripture. Maybe who you think are the children of God isn’t God’s children. Just because you might think you are convinced of the Holy Spirit doesn’t mean you are and for someone that believes in hell which is a patently blasphemous teaching against the Holy Spirit, that tells me that you no more have the Spirit of God in you than an atheist. Jesus NEVER in His entire life spoke about eternal flames. Your favorite English Bible translation is NOT Jesus. You are so fooled it’s sad but the good news is that you won’t remain in your ignorance forever. You eventually learn the truth and we’ll all be in the family of God. Nobody is tortured in real fire for all eternity which would be worse than what Hitler did to his victims. Hell is grossly evil and rank blasphemy.

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      3. I still don’t understand what your mission is, when everyone is saved. (Hypothetically)
         you could preach exactly nothing and the outcome would be the same. But obviously something is pushing you to preach. Do you like the position of a preacher? Or what is the reason? Jesus was the son of God and he knew everything. If the blood was the only thing necessary to get everyone aboard the ship, he would just do that and not waste his time preaching.
         So far, what you say and what you do doesn’t really fit together.

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      4. Have you read through the studies?

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      5. You trying to understand the salvation of all with your fundamentalist Christian views is impossible. You cannot reconcile truth with falsehoods. If you aren’t willing to challenge your religious worldviews then this dialogue will not be fruitful.

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      6. If you go out of your way to be in the spotlight, at least admit it. This whole preaching you are doing is because you want people to listen to you, and not somebody else. As I said, if Jesus doesn’t have to be accepted to be saved, then preaching him becomes obsolete.
         What you did not understand is that God respects free will at all cost. If someone does not want to be with him, he will not and never force them. They will be outside of the kingdom, where sinners belong. Meaning people are free to go to hell if they don’t want to repent.
         You’ve turned free will into slavery, disregarding the sovereignty and honor of God and twisting the state of our existence.
         If you go online to plant contradictive seeds into people, don’t expect, that you will not be exposed. In the light of the truth every falsehood will be eventually uncovered. You will be outside of the kingdom with this unclean doctrine, brother, take this as the word of God, not of me, it’s not my teaching, this is what the holy spirit overwhelmingly revealed, especially in these last days, where so many false doctrines have risen. Remember what Jesus said about the Nicolaites.
         Since you speak out of yourself for selfish reasons, I know that you will not respect this criticism as you’ve shown in the past. But I don’t say this to earn your respect. It’s to shake your spirit and free your soul, that you barricaded with your thought-castle.
         The way to heaven is a narrow way according to our Lord Jesus and your are trying to make a broad way out of it. The broadest way of them all. The (rhetorical) question is: why?

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      7. “If you go out of your way to be in the spotlight, at least admit it. This whole preaching you are doing is because you want people to listen to you, and not somebody else. As I said, if Jesus doesn’t have to be accepted to be saved, then preaching him becomes obsolete”.

         Spotlight? LOL… I’m in the comfort of my own home so how is that being in the spotlight? You can’t place your assumptions on me just because you don’t understand my mission or my motivation. The nerve of you to try and tell me why I do what I do when I don’t owe you anything including and explanation. I’ve managed this blog for about 10 years and have never asked a single person for a dime. But I’m trying to be in the spotlight? Nothing like your Christian leaders that love to be on TV, love to splurge just like the world, and have no problem stealing money in the form of tithes from their poor church members. I told you plain and simple that you trying to understand the salvation of all with your FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIAN VIEWS is impossible, yet you continue to repeat the same garbage as if you have a clue as to what you are talking about. You are good at repeating other people’s ideas. You have a good echo chamber but you do not have the ability to think for yourself. If you aren’t willing to challenge your religious worldviews, then this dialogue will not be fruitful. You clearly aren’t capable of challenging your worldviews because you still worship yourself. It is arrogant of you to think you can impose your opinions of me over my own intentions. I don’t need people to listen to me and for the most part, people share your views. I am well aware of this. Few is a minority not a majority. You don’t know me so stop acting like you do.

         The idea of accepting Christ is a Christian dogma. Nobody can accept Christ unless the Father draws them. Many are called, but few are CHOSEN! What you and many actual choose to accept is Christianity. Christianity is your god. You no more accept Christ than an atheist can but this is just one of the many examples of your impenetrable ignorance. Scripture affirms that if we CONFESS with our mouth the Lord Jesus…. we shall be saved. Scripture then reaffirms that EVERY tongue will CONFESS that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of the Father. Do you believe that? Of course you don’t because you would have to believe the word of God to believe what it says. You will find some way to ignore this or deflect from what it clearly states to protect the dogmas you believe. You do not care about the truth and you’ve proven that multiple times. You claim I’m cherry picking as if the scriptures that clearly contradict you and your views aren’t equally the words of God. This is how you prove yourself to be a fraud. You are not a follower of Christ. You are a “Christian”, a slave to Christianity. I have never once said that anyone can be saved without going through Christ. You just don’t understand how everyone eventually will go through Christ because you have been programmed to think that you have free will and that you must activate this phantom ability to accept Christ.

         “What you did not understand is that God respects free will at all cost. If someone does not want to be with him, he will not and never force them. They will be outside of the kingdom, where sinners belong. Meaning people are free to go to hell if they don’t want to repent”.

         God respects free will at all costs you say? That sounds like another regurgitated statement that you are repeating because you heard someone else say it and you liked it. God is not in submission to humanity. God no more respects the will of humanity than a parent would respect the will of a toddler. Free will is one of the biggest lies that has ever been told to humanity. You don’t even know what you are talking about. Listen to what you are saying… God RESPECTS free will at ALL cost. It’s interesting that you quote NO scripture to back up this foolish statement but I know why you didn’t, because you don’t have a scripture that supports this idea. It is nothing more than a Christian dogma and many believe it out of ignorance. Go read Daniel 4 and tell me that King Nebuchadnezzar had free will. God turned him into a beast of the field in his mind but according to you God respects free will at all cost? You don’t have a clue what you are talking about. If someone does not want to be with him? HIM? Show me where God is? Give me His coordinates? Have you seen the Father? Have you ascended up into the heavens and experienced God in the same way as Christ? Here is a translation for your nonsense. If someone does not want to submit to the will of Christianity, Christianity will doom them to THEIR pagan hell. It is Christianity that teaches that we must accept Christ or go to hell. These words have never come from God. You worship the English Bibles that have been corrupted by the Church. God doesn’t need to force anyone to love Him or to be with Him. There are other ways to motivate. My children don’t love me because I forced them to, they love me because I LOVED THEM FIRST! I can definitely tell that you do not have the fruits of the spirit. You think you are special and you need sinners to burn in hell to validate your salvation.

         Yes, there will be those outside the kingdom but the gates aren’t shut.

         Isaiah 60:11 Therefore YOUR GATES SHALL BE OPEN CONTINUALLY; They shall not be shut day or night, That men may bring to you the wealth of the Gentiles (nations that don’t know God), And their kings in procession.

         Revelation 21:24-26 And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it. ITS GATES SHALL NOT BE SHUT AT ALL BY DAY (there shall be no night there). And THEY SHALL BRING THE GLORY AND THE HONOR OF THE NATIONS INTO IT.

         You absolutely despise the word of God and it is clear. You want the gates to be shut so you can feel special and mock those that didn’t make it into your special club but thanks be to God that you are not His true representative. “They will be outside of the kingdom where sinners belong”… Are you a sinner? Do you sin? Don’t deflect from the question… Are you a sinner and do you sin? The answer is yes so if you are a sinner and you sin, what makes you so special that you are in the kingdom and other sinners aren’t? You know what Christ said to people with an attitude like yours?

         Matthew 21:31 Which of the two did the will of his father?” They said to Him, “The first.” Jesus said to them, “Assuredly, I say to you that TAX COLLECTORS AND HARLOTS ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD BEFORE YOU.

         Are harlots sinners? In this scripture, Jesus says that HARLOTS (that’s prostitutes) enter the kingdom of God before people that refuse to believe God’s truth over their tradition. That’s you! In light of all of scriptures and truth I have presented to you, you still believe your dogmas and tradition. Your logic isn’t just wrong, it’s stupid.

         When are sinners ever told that they cannot come or enter into the kingdom? NEVER!

         Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.

         You say that people are free to go to hell if they don’t want to repent but hell has never been the consequence for sin. Death is the punishment for sin not eternal life in hell. Those who are outside of the gates that are never shut will always have an invitation to come into the kingdom to partake of the water of life freely. This is what scripture says and I’ll take scripture over your godless opinions any day.

         “You’ve turned free will into slavery, disregarding the sovereignty and honor of God and twisting the state of our existence”.

         Actually, you’ve turned free will into human sovereignty that is more powerful that the sovereignty of God. Nothing you say even makes sense. All your statements and arguments are nonsensical. Do children have free will or are they subject to do the wills of their parents? You tell me that a reasonable parent is going to respect the wishes of their young child? That is insane. Parents always overrule their children’s wants and desires if it’s not in their best interests. Does that mean they don’t love them? Of course not and to the contrary, it means they do love them. Free will takes love away. How could I let my child do something that I know will hurt them and just submit to the stupid idea of, I have to respect their free will? For the love of God you cannot be this stupid but you are making a strong case for me to assume otherwise. The ideology of free will is complete and utter lawlessness. How am I twisting the state of our existence? What does that even mean? There is nothing about your position that regards the honor of God. Everything you say disregards the honor of God since you think God must submit to the wills of human beings.

         “If you go online to plant contradictive seeds into people, don’t expect, that you will not be exposed. In the light of the truth every falsehood will be eventually uncovered. You will be outside of the kingdom with this unclean doctrine, brother, take this as the word of God, not of me, it’s not my teaching, this is what the holy spirit overwhelmingly revealed, especially in these last days, where so many false doctrines have risen. Remember what Jesus said about the Nicolaites”.

         Exposed? What have you exposed other than your own stupidity? All you have done is rant and make inconsistent contradictory arguments for which you can’t even defend. How have I planted contradictive seeds into anyone? Just because you don’t agree with me doesn’t mean I’m planting contradictive seeds in anyone. You have contradicted yourself numerous times and when I’ve called you out or exposed your contradictions, you just double down with additional nonsense or just flat out ignore the scriptures you disagree with. With that said,
         I don’t need your confirmation. I have helped many people come out of the corrupt Babylonian church which Christ actually commands His people to do so I don’t need your approval. I don’t do what I do to appease you.

         “In the light of the truth every falsehood will be eventually uncovered”.

         I agree 100% and this might be the only thing you’ve said that is true. However, these words will stand as an indictment of you in the judgment. I will be outside the kingdom? And you think you are qualified to make that judgment of me? You are treading very closely on signing yourself up for a harsher judgment by judging others out of ignorance. You call the salvation of all or the redemption of all sinners unclean but you think the eternal torture of billions of people’s family members and friends in hell for all eternity is clean? You are a lunatic. I am not your brother and I will never take your garbage as the word of God just because that’s what you think I should do. Everything you’ve said is from you. Nothing you say is from God. You are perpetuating the teachings of Christianity, not Christ. Just because you tell yourself that the Holy Spirit did something for you doesn’t mean it’s true and the fact that you are bathed in so many lies tells me that you do not have the Spirt of God in you not even in earnest. The nerve of you to talk to me about false doctrines when nearly everything you believe is false is just comical. You are a Nicolaite in spirit.

         “Since you speak out of yourself for selfish reasons, I know that you will not respect this criticism as you’ve shown in the past. But I don’t say this to earn your respect. It’s to shake your spirit and free your soul, that you barricaded with your thought-castle”.

         I speak out of myself for selfish reasons? And what are those reasons since you think you know so much about me? Is it because I refuse to endorse your religious nonsense? Why would I respect your criticism when you can’t even properly defend any of your arguments? All you do is parrot commonly held Christian themes which I have heard from numerous people besides yourself so what you claim is nothing new for me. You think you know me more than I know myself? You give your opinions of me based on what you think as if your opinions of me is supposed to trump my own thoughts and convictions that I own. I speak out for myself because I can. I don’t owe you anything. If you don’t like what I say, then be gone. Stop commenting on this blog. You can spew your nonsense elsewhere. You don’t have to comment on here because you are doing nothing but giving me more opportunity to expose the inconsistencies and contradictions of Christian fundamentalists. You have not earned my respect, not because we have differing views but because you are a judgmental and have disqualified yourself from your own babblings. Some of the stuff you say is just comical to me. You think you can shake my spirit with your evil doctrines and religious dogmas? I am 100% completely free from the spiritual terrorism of your godless religion. You do not speak with wisdom, truth, or authority so I have no reason to respect anything you say. You want to talk to me about hell when I’ve written and entire series on the false doctrine of hell. You think you can overturn all of the work and study I put into writing all of that material? Who do you think you are? You probably haven’t even read my series but you think you have the right to provide criticism? Criticism of what? You haven’t made a single quote of anything I’ve written and proved it to be untrue with scripture. All you do is repeat your dogmas over and over again. You are a Christian echo chamber, nothing more, nothing less. The fact that you think I need you to do anything for me all while ignoring what you should be doing for yourself is classic hypocrisy. You are a hypocrite of the worst kind.

         “The way to heaven is a narrow way according to our Lord Jesus and your are trying to make a broad way out of it. The broadest way of them all. The (rhetorical) question is: why?”

         Lol, once again, you are parroting another Christian tradition twisting scriptures and adding your Christian ideas into the scriptures. Matthew 7:13-14 says NOTHING about heaven.

         “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

         The narrow way in which Christ spoke of is the way that leads to life not heaven. Why do you think it’s okay to add to what Christ said? You think you have that authority? Do you know what scripture says about those who add to and take away from the word of God? You don’t even know what Christ is talking in this passage, yet you take one set of scriptures, then assume it supports your nonsense. Then you accuse me of cherry picking? You can’t even properly apply the scriptures you cherry pick. Christ is referring to life in the next age for believers when they reign with Christ for the millennia ON EARTH, not in some magical place called heaven. It is common Christian belief that Christians will ascend to heaven after their death even though that contradicts everything scripture teaches about the state of the dead but what’s even worse is that Christ said Himself that NO ONE has ascended up to heaven;

         John 3:13 No one has ascended into heaven, except He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man.

         In 1 Corinthians 15, when the Apostle Paul is talking about the resurrection events and God ultimately becoming all in all, he never mentions anything about believers going to some place called heaven. Heaven as a literal place with streets of gold and babies flying around playing harps is a Christian fairytale but I know you will never give up your fantasies of being in an exclusive community. David Bentley Hart said it best regarding the mindset of people like you. It’s like the people who live in gated communities. What’s the point of living in a gated community if there aren’t legions of people outside the gates envying you? You need this because you think you are special and your desire to be in your magical heaven satisfies nothing but the worst of human carnal desire. You would laugh at someone outside the gates instead of offering your hand to help them. You wouldn’t open your arms up with love for me if for some ungodly cause your beliefs were true. You would mock me and laugh. You would point your fingers at me and say, “I told you so, I told you so”. You do not posses the fruits of the spirit. You are as carnal as the worst of us sinners. At your core, you are selfish, arrogant, and delusional.

         I’m not trying to make a broad way out of anything. I just understand the scripture whereas you don’t. Yes, many will go the broad way that leads to destruction but there is NO “scripture” that says that God’s destruction is eternal. Notice I said scripture and not bible verse because I am well aware that most popular English bibles include the words eternal and everlasting. Just because words appear in bibles doesn’t mean they all came from God. Your love for these spurious English Bible translations that erroneously translate the Greek word “aionios” as eternal instead of age-abiding is part of the reason why you are deceived. You want God’s punishment to be eternal. You want sinners to burn in hell for all eternity and you gloat about it because you think this message comes from God but hell is a doctrine of men. You keep asking me questions whether they are rhetorical or not but your questions are bad questions. How can I answer your questions when your questions suggest that your premise is sound? What if your premise is faulty? What does that do to your questions? Are you familiar with Daniel 12:2?

         Daniel 12:2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt.

         This is what is recorded in the New King James Bible which is known for following after the bad tradition of translating the Hebrew word “olam” as everlasting but this word does not mean everlasting at all and it’s not even that hard to figure out. I’m not going to get into all of that with you because I have already dealt with these words for which you can read for yourself in my paper titled “The Truth about Eternal & Everlasting” in my False Doctrine of Hell series. There are Bibles that do not follow after the bad tradition of the KJV such as Rotherham’s Emphasized Bible;

         Daniel 12:2 and, many of the sleepers in the dusty ground, shall awake,––these, [shall be] to AGE–ABIDING life, but, those, to reproach, and AGE–ABIDING abhorrence;

         You can follow whatever translation you prefer but you’re not going to prove anything to me by claiming that the KJV is the infallible word of God because it isn’t. My point here is that there will be many that rise from the dead, some to life, and some to reproach (judgment). The irony here is that nobody ever seems to read the next verse.

         Daniel 12:3 Those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament, and THOSE WHO TURN MANY TO RIGHTEOUSNESS like the stars for ever (the age) and ever (beyond).

         After the resurrections, those who are wise will be turning many to righteousness and turning to righteousness sure does sound a lot like repentance. There isn’t a single Christian that has ever been able to explain this without lying or twisting the scriptures to fit their agenda.

         You say the way to heaven is a narrow way yet there are billions of people that fill church pews every Sunday hoping that they get in just like you. That doesn’t seem very narrow to me. I live in the South and there are churches everywhere. There is an estimated 2.4 billion Christians in the whole world making up one third of the world’s total population. Does 2.4 billion sound like a few to you since only few find this narrow road that supposedly leads to your magical heaven? Either the scriptures lie or there are a lot of deceived people on this planet but we don’t have a scripture that confirms that do we?

         Revelation 12:9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, WHO DECEIVES THE WHOLE WORLD; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

         Far be it for someone as arrogant as you to think you could possibly be deceived but that is expressly why you are deceived. We are all under deception until God brings us out of it and He does not bring most of humanity out of it in this age. Christianity is charade. It is a scam. The Christian Church uses fear to trick people into becoming Christians so that the church can convince you to donate 10% of your gross earnings to the church. Then they tell you to go out and trick more people into becoming Christians through the terror campaign of burning in hell for all eternity if you refuse to accept Christ. Christianity is stupid and I seek to help people find their own path to truth. You can keep commenting all you want to. I will continue to rebuke you and refute you so those who actually seek truth can see how to properly deal with a stiff-necked detractor.

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9. How do you understand theses verses in light of apokatastasis ? Matthew 22:14 ¶ For many are called, but few are chosen. Matthew 7: 13 ¶ Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14Because strait is the gate, and narrow isthe way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

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   1. Thank you for your comment. Great question!

      Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

      The fact that many are called but few are chosen (in this age) does not disqualify the doctrine of the apokatastasis. The issue here is time. Everyone will be saved but not everyone is saved at the same time. The Apostle Paul talks about this in 1 Corinthians 15:22-24;
      For as in Adam all die, even so IN CHRIST ALL SHALL BE MADE ALIVE. BUT EACH ONE IN HIS OWN ORDER: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.

      Notice all are made alive in Christ in the same way that all die in Adam. Nobody disputes that all die in Adam suggesting that Adam is far more effective killer than Christ is a savior. I find that idea to be disgraceful considering Christ’s position and authority. Is Adam greater than Christ? Think about that… If all die in Adam and all do die in Adam, then Adam was 100% successful in accomplishing his work. If all are made alive in Christ, then it only makes sense that Christ would also be 100% successful less He should be considered inferior to Adam. I know that there are some that like to focus on the “in Christ” detail in this scripture as if that limits who is made alive in Christ but the comparison is clear. The evidence is clear. For as in Adam all die, EVEN SO in Christ shall all be made alive. This phrase “even so” comes from the Greek “kai houtō(s)” which literally means likewise, after this manner, thus, in this fashion, or referring to what precedes or follows. There is no way to conclude that the “all” that die in Christ is not referring to the same “all” that are made alive in Christ unless one is committed to an interpretation tradition that blatantly contradicts this clear truth. There are “many” people committed to such a tradition while there are “few” that understand God’s truth. Many are called but few are chosen.
      There is a theme in 1 Corinthians 15 that the Apostle Paul is trying to convey and the principal message in found in verse 28;
      Now when ALL THINGS (the word “things” is not in the original Greek. It should read with just the word all and this is the same all that was made alive in Christ) are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL.

      This is God’s ultimate purpose for all of humanity which is for all of God to be complete in all of humanity. This process is completed in phases. Let’s take another look at 1 Corinthians 15:23-24;

      But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.

      All or everyone is made alive in Christ in a very specific order. God brought Christ back from the dead first and He is the firstfruits of them that slept (the dead).

      1 Corinthians 15:20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the FIRSTFRUITS of those who have fallen asleep.
      So, Christ is actually the first of the firstfruits;

      Leviticus 23:10-12 “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘When you come into the land which I give to you, and reap its harvest, then you shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest to the priest. He shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted on your behalf; on the day after the Sabbath the priest shall wave it. And you shall offer on that day, when you wave the sheaf, A MALE LAMB OF THE FIRST YEAR, WITHOUT BLEMISH, as a burnt offering to the Lord.

      Clearly this is a picture of Christ our Savior depicted as the lamb without blemish but why do you think these biblical authors used the word firstfruits? What are firstfruits? In a general sense, this is simply an agricultural term used to describe the first produce of a season but from a biblical perspective, firstfruits were an offering to God. In terms of a harvest, isn’t the point of a harvest to yield as much as possible? When is a harvest ever considered good when only yielding few crops? In all of Christendom, it is taught that only a few make it to heaven which they assume is the broad road that leads to life but this is a misconception. I will get to that later but we can be assured that if there are FIRSTfruits, then there are more fruits to come. Nowhere in the scriptures do we read of onlyfruits. In ancient Israel, they held 3 major festivals (harvests) during the year and this is exactly what the Apostle Paul is pointing to in his word picture;

      Christ, the firstfruits is a symbol for the “Feast of Unleavened Bread and Passover” festival. The next major festival harvest in ancient Israel was the “Feast of Weeks” which is a symbol of the chosen few who are Christ’s at His coming.

      1 Corinthians 15:23-24 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, AFTERWARD THOSE WHO ARE CHRIST’S AT HIS COMING. Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.

      Keep in mind that the resurrection is the symbol for the reaping of a human harvest in Paul’s message. When are believers (or the chosen few), resurrected from the dead? In the first resurrection right….?

      John 5:28-29 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which ALL WHO ARE IN THE GRAVES will hear His voice and come forth—THOSE WHO HAVE DONE GOOD, TO THE RESURRECTION OF LIFE, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment.

      This resurrection to life will only include those who are Christ’s at His coming;

      1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And THE DEAD IN CHRIST will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

      The saints will reign with Christ in the kingdom of God for a thousand years while the rest of the world is still in the grave awaiting the resurrection to judgment. This period is symbolized as the “Feast of Weeks” in Paul’s resurrection analogy which is a picture of God’s harvest of humanity. Believers are the firstfruits of the resurrection while Christ is the firstfruit of the firstfruits.

      Numbers 18:12-13 “All the best of the oil, all the best of the new wine and the grain, their FIRSTFRUITS which they offer to the Lord, I have given them to you. Whatever first ripe fruit is in their land, which they bring to the Lord, shall be yours. Everyone who is clean in your house may eat it.

      The entire message of 1 Corinthians 15 has to do with the harvest of humanity. These agricultural symbols point to a much greater spiritual picture.

      James 1:18 Of His own will He brought us forth by the word of truth, that we might be a kind of FIRSTFRUITS OF HIS CREATURES.

      If believers are the firstfruits of God’s creatures, then there must be more fruits to come of His creatures.

      THEN COMES THE END! But the end of what? The end of the all being made alive in Christ. Remember our beginning scriptures?

      1 Corinthians 15:23-24 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. THEN COMES THE END, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.

      This is a most peculiar phrase because is does not readily invoke the reader to think of another group of people but let’s deal with this for a minute. Going back to 1 Corinthians 15:23-24, the harvests of humanity do come to an end but this speaks to a finality to the harvests or the last harvest in the annual harvest cycles. The word “end” is translated from the Greek word “telos” and this is how it is defined in biblical usage;

      • termination, the limit at which a thing ceases to be (always of the end of some act or state, but not of the end of a period of time)
      • the last in any succession or series
      • the conclusion of an act or state
      • the result or purpose (immediate, ultimate or prophetic)

      Let’s take a look at how some other translations render 1 Corinthians 15:24 in light of this more detailed understanding of the Greek word “telos”.

      1 Corinthians 15:24 THEN THE CULMINATION, when he hands over the Kingdom to God the Father, after having put an end to every rulership, yes, to every authority and power. (Complete Jewish Bible)

      1 Corinthians 15:24 THEREAFTER THE CONSUMMATION, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power. (The Concordant Version of the New Testament)

      1 Corinthians 15:24 After that COMES THE END (COMPLETION), when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father, after He has made inoperative and abolished every ruler and every authority and power. (Amplified Bible)

      I’m not suggesting that “the end” is a bad translation, I’m just pointing out that these other translations do a better job of pulling out the true meaning of the Greek word “telos”. When God has completed His order in the harvest of humanity (that is when all are made alive in Christ), that will be the end. This is symbolized in the Old Testament as the “Feast of Tabernacles”.

      Deuteronomy 16:13-15 “You shall observe the Feast of Tabernacles seven days, when you have gathered from your threshing floor and from your winepress. And you shall rejoice in your feast, you and your son and your daughter, your male servant and your female servant and the Levite, the stranger and the fatherless and the widow, who are within your gates. Seven days you shall keep a sacred feast to the Lord your God in the place which the Lord chooses, because the Lord your God will bless you in all your produce and in all the work of your hands, so that you surely rejoice.

      This was the last and final festival harvest in ancient Israel and nobody was left out not even the stranger. The stranger here represents Gentile nations so in today’s world, the Gentile is the lost or unsaved person. According to Christendom, when is a lost or unsaved person allowed into the kingdom? They’re not ever allowed unless they submit to the dogmas of Christianity. If a lost or unsaved person does not submit to the will of the Church, they will go to hell for all eternity at death. That is the Christian proposition but this stands in direct opposition to what the scriptures tell us. In God’s resurrection harvest of humanity, God will have a 100% yield. Many are called (in this age) but few are chosen to be God’s elect to reign with Christ in the age to come. In a future age of judgment, many will then enter the kingdom.

      Isaiah 26:9 With my soul I have desired You in the night, Yes, by my spirit within me I will seek You early; For WHEN YOUR JUDGMENTS ARE IN THE EARTH, THE INHABITANTS OF THE WORLD WILL LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.

      I had one person tell me that learning righteousness does not necessarily mean that a person is saved so I fully understand how committed some are in making God’s salvation exclusive. This is also coming from a religion that teaches that you can be saved by merely repeating a 5 second sinner’s prayer. I’ve come to the conclusion that most Christians simply do not want God to save all of humanity. I would like for anyone to explain to me how God’s judgment resulting in the learning of righteousness could be anything but a picture of salvation. That is literally what every Christian is expected to experience after becoming a Christian. Most Christians have a demented view of what judgment means because Christianity has taught us that God’s judgment towards the sinner is eternal life in hell. When is eternal life ever a punishment for sin? The punishment for sin has always been death and that is what Matthew 7:13-14 is talking about.

      Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
      There are two roads, one that leads to destruction and another that leads to life but the word destruction is likely misunderstood by most. The word destruction in this verse is translated from the Greek word “apōleia” and this word is translated as the following words in scripture; perdition, destruction, waste, damnable, to die, perish, and pernicious. This one Greek word is translated as 7 different words in the New Testament and we wonder why Christians are so easily misled? It’s because of nonsense such as this. Take this for an example… In Dr. Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance, he provides an outline of biblical usage from Larry Pierce’s Online Bible to apparently help people understand the meaning of biblical words in their original languages. This is one of the those outlines of biblical usage for the Greek word “apōleia”;

      • the destruction which consists of eternal misery in hell

      This is religious projection at its finest. There is NO evidence in scripture to come to this conclusion. In every scripture that includes the word “apōleia”, the word hell is not even found. I’m not making this connection to suggest that there is validity to the hell doctrine, I’m just pointing out that many Christians come to conclusions with zero evidence. This is simply an example of a religious person who is already a Christian inserting their theology into the interpretation of scripture. Dr. Strong states that the Greek word “apōleia” is a presumed derivative the Greek word “apollymi” but defines “apōleia” as ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal):—damnable(-nation), destruction, die, perdition, perish, pernicious ways, and waste. Again, this is more religious projection and it takes some effort to learn how to read in between the lines. The Greek word “apollymi” is defined as follows; to destroy fully (reflexively, to perish, or lose), literally or figuratively:—destroy, die, lose, mar, perish. In biblical usage, it is translated as perish, destroy, lose, be lost, and lost. With all of this information, how can we ever know what one single word means? The best way to understand the meaning of biblical words is to study how the word is used in scripture. Not to drag this on any longer that I have, the Greek word “apōleia” and all of its associated family words has to do with physical death. The road that leads to destruction is the road that leads to death – that is – death into the age to come.

      Enter by the narrow gate – this path is the road that includes dying to our carnal self, picking up our cross, and following after Christ. This is the call for every follower to be hated by the world and to judge ourselves accordingly. This is very difficult and challenging. Followers of Christ must persevere through all of life’s trials and tribulations. This is the narrow gate, the gate that leads to “aionios” age-abiding life (not eternal life) with Christ in the age to come. One of the biggest Christian idols is the belief in eternal life. Believers are not promised eternal life. The Greek word “aionios” does not mean eternal, it means age-abiding or pertaining to the ages. Believers are made immortal in the resurrection so they don’t need eternal life. What they do need is time period to exist in and the life that Christ is talking about in this particular passage is this aionios life in the age (time period) to come.
      For wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are MANY who go in by it.

      This wide gate and broad way that leads to destruction or aionios death has nothing to do with hell. We all will suffer destruction and decay but the point of all of this is the resurrection. In what resurrection will you participate in? The resurrection to life or the resurrection to judgment? The few chosen will rise in the first resurrection to life and they will live in an age of life that many will not get to experience. Those who do not rise in the first resurrection are still under the penalty of age-during death.

      2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 …..when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

      Everlasting destruction? That’s what the scripture reads in the New King James Version but is that what God inspired the original biblical author to write in this verse? According to the Greek, this phrase is “aionios olethros” and in most Greek concordances, aionios is always translated as eternal or everlasting. So who am I to come along and claim all of these Christian scholars and theologians are wrong? That’s actually a fair argument but Christianity does not have a patent on God’s truth. We are admonished to study to show ourselves approved. Revelation 12:9 says that the devil deceives the whole world so if that scripture is true, then there has to be room for that level of deception to exist. Would God be so wise to allow the devil or evil men to corrupt His own Word? He allowed wicked men to kill His son but even in that, God had a much bigger purpose. Could God have a bigger purpose in allowing His Word to be changed? Of course He does… Many are called but few are chosen. If being chosen by God was supposed to be easy then there wouldn’t be few. Few are chosen because wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go that route. So is this destruction everlasting or not? I just did a quick Google search on this subject and found a website called the Christian Courier by Wayne Jackson. Here is a quote from his article in regards to 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10;

      “In his book, The Fire That Consumes (1982), Edward Fudge argues that the final destiny of the wicked will be annihilation. He believes that hell is “total, everlasting extinction. The inspired apostle affirms that those who are unprepared for the Lord at the time of His coming shall “suffer punishment, even eternal destruction from the face of the Lord and from the glory of his might.” Fudge would define “destruction” as extinction. He does not believe that the wicked will be consciously punished forever. In addressing this erroneous doctrine, several factors need to be taken into consideration. First, the passage affirms that ungodly rebels will “suffer punishment,” which is equivalent to “eternal destruction.” Suffering surely implies consciousness. Hence, the “destruction” is not that of an unconscious state of nonexistence. How can one who does not exist suffer?”

      There are two popular camps when attempting to interpret the meaning of everlasting destruction. The most popular tradition is that everlasting destruction is an eternal conscious experience whereas the other group thinks it means annihilation. Mr. Jackson is in the camp of the former and he makes many errors and assumptions in his blurb. The first and most glaring error is his infatuation with the word suffer which does not even appear in the original Greek. It didn’t take me long to figure out that he was quoting from the American Standard Version which is littered with added words such as this. Surely, if the word suffer is added to the text, there’s an implication that the experience could be conscious but in no stretch of the imagination did the inspired apostle use the word suffer in 2 Thessalonians 1:9. There are translations that are far more honest to the Greek than the American Standard Version such as Rotherham’s Emphasized Bible. Here is 2 Thessalonians 1:9 is this version;

      Who, indeed, a penalty, shall pay––age–abiding destruction from the face of the Lord and from the glory of his might.

      Clearly in this version, we can see that everlasting is not included because this translation understands that adjectives describe nouns. The Greek adjective aionios comes from its root noun aion and aion most certainly means age.

      Ephesians 2:7 that in the AGES (Greek – aion) to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

      Just as hourly pertains to hours and seasonal pertains to seasons, aionios pertains to aions. The destruction is not everlasting so that completely destroys both camps although I will confess that annihilation is far less evil the eternal conscious torment. Mr. Jackson is obviously ignorant to the fact that the most erroneous doctrine ever concocted is the doctrine of eternal conscious torment. There is no other doctrine that comes close to that level of evil and depravity. Christendom is really turning into Christendumb.

      Going back to the Greek phrase “aionios olethros”, this age-during destruction is simply a prolonged death sentence from the presence of God. This is the punishment. It baffles me that some people seem to have a need for God’s punishment to be worse than it is. Death is pretty awful but death is just not enough to satisfy the carnal vengeance of some people. Those who go the broad way that leads to destruction will not only be punished with an extended death sentence but they will also miss out on reigning with Christ in the kingdom of God and potentially serving in a high role in God’s government. Nevertheless, God will ultimately be all in all when all things are accomplished in Christ.

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10. Hello,

    You share a lot of my same views on this subject and with the text to back it up. I’m still a little rough around the edges with all this knowledge and am slowly learning to not “destroy” someone with it. I’m glad there are other authors like you out there tackling this and not peddling the word. I hope everyone can learn from this material.

    As a sidenote the last community I tried being part of banned me for disagreeing with them after I did a lot of research on something silly like Noah’s flood. The majority believed in multiple Adams etc., and were very adamant on this current Zeitgeist. This was from L Ray Smith’s forum if you are familiar with it.

    Nowadays I kind of don’t really fit in any community of believers as I continue to study and ponder. None allow actual discourse. Anyway I digress. My close friends may not agree with me on everything, but they have been far kinder than any community I’ve come across.

    I believe God will use all sorts of people when all is said and done like when Paul was in Athens. Those who entertained Paul and had some semblance of faith may be among the righteous.

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    1. I am familiar with L. Ray Smith’s forum but I was never a part of the community of believers. This blog isn’t much of a community either which is okay with me. It’s more of a source for the teaching of universalism and an a defense for many of the horrible Christian teachings that we both know about. I’ve had some interesting debates over the years which has kept me sharp.

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